ZetaTalk Chat for September 30, 2022

[Nancy Lieder]

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Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 78 years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek. To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

Bear in mind, during these chats, what you are asking of ourselves and Nancy. You have a resource here which you are regularly wasting and exhausting with idiotic questions! Nancy has warned that the time is quickly coming when you will get no response from her at all, just a statement as to which questions will be accepted. You have complained when she told you, in no uncertain terms, what was wrong with your demands or your questions. But those who do not learn are destined to be ignored, which is what is coming next.

[Gerard Zwaan]

What is going on stop taking gas from Russia and the higher gas prices. It seems that that  in Europe they want the people to sufferer and live in misery cause they know that the African roll and European tsunami are pending and use the Ukraine as an excuse, or is is there more to it than meets the eye? 

“Anyone with any sense could have seen it coming – Europe is on the precipice of an economic and social crisis not seen since World War II; and they basically did it to themselves” from https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/what-will-be-real-world-consequenc...

More https://tinyurl.com/9phjknk2 and  https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/beyond-imagination-polish-homeown...

And also https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/global-gas-crisis-spilling-united-...

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted

Gerard Zwaan said:

What is going on stop taking gas from Russia and the higher gas prices.

It seems that in Europe they want the people to sufferer and live in misery cause they know that the African roll and European tsunami are pending and use the Ukraine as an excuse, or is there more to it than meets the eye? 
[and from another]
What Will Be the Real World Consequences of Europe's Coming Energy Crisis?
August 29, 2022
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/what-will-be-real-world-consequenc...
Ever since the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the subsequent NATO sanctions, the talking heads in the mainstream media have consistently fed the public an endless narrative on how the EU doesn't need Russian natural gas.  We've heard an array of theories and chest beating from corporate journalists and lying politicians; all of them sounding so certain that Russia would be isolated and economically destroyed within no time.  This has not happened, and now the reverse might soon be true for the EU and the UK. The only legitimate short term solution to prevent a historic energy calamity in the EU this winter would be to remove sanctions on Russia.  But, NATO has made it clear that this will not happen.  
[and from another]
Gazprom to Slash NatGas Deliveries to France's Top Utility as Squeeze Worsens
August 30, 2022
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/gazprom-slash-natgas-deliveri...
Gazprom's reductions in NatGas over retaliation for sanctions related to its invasion of Ukraine have primarily targeted Germany and eastern Europe but now appear to extend to France. 
[and from another]
Polish Homeowners Line Up for Days to Buy Coal Ahead of Winter
August 29, 2022
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/beyond-imagination-polish-homeown...
with Poland still basking in the late summer heat, hundreds of cars and trucks have already lined up at the Lubelski Wegiel Bogdanka coal mine, as householders fearful of winter shortages wait for days and nights to stock up on heating fuel ahead of the coming cold winter.
[and from another]
The Global Gas Crisis is Spilling into the United States
August 30, 2022
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/global-gas-crisis-spilling-united-...
EU has been scouring the world for alternatives to Russian energy. Because of this, global gas competition recently experienced a sharp – and ongoing – rise.  Not only are natural gas supplies in the US being shipped to Europe to aid with the energy crisis, but record-setting heat waves mean more power consumption as American, and European homes are relying more and more on air conditioning.

SOZT
When Russia stepped into the Ukraine at the request of the independent states that border Russia, it was for two reasons – to stop the continuing murder
http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue807.htm
of Russian speaking citizens there, and to prevent Europe from pushing into Russia to grab the oil and gas fields.
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue806.htm
NATO expected the Biden Administration to join their push against Russia, but the Junta is not controlled by the Biden Administration and refused to join NATO. During the ensuing months, NATO and the European Union elites persisted, assuming that draconian sanctions on Russia would wear Russia down.

Russia is well situated to be self-sufficient, exporting both grain and oil and gas and backed by their relationship with China. Russia retaliated against NATO’s plans and the sanctions imposed by the European Union by withholding natural gas deliveries. Now that it is obvious that Russia has not only won the conflict in Ukraine but also won the staring contest over sanctions vs gas and oil, Europe is facing a cold Winter with no respite. Oil producing nations such as Iran and Venezuela are siding with Russia. Now what?

The arrogant European Union elite and NATO, still living in the Colonial Days and beset with a royalty attitude, are shocked at their downfall. They will hold out until it is obvious that securing oil and gas from sources other than Russia is not going to happen or will be insufficient. The rage in their populace will be akin to the Revolution that the Dark Judge has been warning about. This will be compounded by the New Madrid rupture that will assault European coastlines with a tsunami. Lifting the sanctions and admitting defeat will be the only way forward.
EOZT

[Andrey Eroshin]

Thank you dear Nancy and the Zetas. But another serious threat has appeared in Ukraine - a nuclear explosion may occur at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, which is being fired around the clock by armed battalions of the Maidan Kyiv authorities. An IAEA mission is sent to the station, and there are rumors that the Kyiv authorities want to destroy them in order to blame Russia for everything, or arrange a nuclear explosion with radioactive contamination of large areas. Can this plan be put into action? Is there an explosion threat at the station? What is the plan of the terrorists from Kyiv regarding the station and the mission of the IAEA? Thanks in advance.

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted. Looks like Ukraine takeover failed. But lets get the story behind the scenes. 

Andrey Eroshin said:

A serious threat has appeared in Ukraine - a nuclear explosion may occur at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, which is being fired around the clock by armed battalions of the Maidan Kyiv authorities. 

An IAEA mission is sent to the station, and there are rumors that the Kyiv authorities want to destroy them in order to blame Russia for everything, or arrange a nuclear explosion with radioactive contamination of large areas. Can this plan be put into action? Is there an explosion threat at the station? What is the plan of the terrorists from Kyiv regarding the station and the mission of the IAEA?
[and from another]
City Under Fire before Visit of UN Nuclear Inspectors
September 1, 2022
https://www.rt.com/russia/561940-energodar-shelling/
At least three civilians were killed and one injured after Kiev’s troops shelled the city of Energodar in southern Ukraine. Videos and photos posted on social media show clouds of smoke rising from the buildings. The news comes as a team from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is due to visit the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant located nearby. Europe’s biggest nuclear plant was seized by Russian forces shortly after Moscow launched its military operation in the neighboring country in late February.
[and from another]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Oblast
Zaporizhzhia Oblast, also referred to as Zaporizhzhia, is an oblast of southeast Ukraine whose southern part has been occupied by Russia. Its capital is Zaporizhzhia. The oblast covers an area of 27,183 km², and its population is 1,666,515. This oblast is an important part of Ukraine's industry and agriculture.
[and from another]
Kiev Attempts to Disrupt IAEA’s Visit to Zaporozhye NPP Trying to Take it Over
September 1, 2022
https://tass.com/politics/1500865
A Ukrainian assault team numbering 60 people landed on the shore of the Kakhovskoye reservoir in order to attempt to take over the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. The Ukrainian army had been shelling the site of the mission’s visit in the vicinity of the Vasilyevka populated locality and the Zaporozhye NPP. In particular, four shells exploded within 400 meters of the first nuclear unit. The Kiev regime’s provocation is aiming to undermine the visit of the IAEA’s working group to the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. Earlier, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Rafael Grossi stated that he was planning to organize a constant mission of the IAEA experts at the power plant. Russian Permanent Representative to International Organizations in Vienna Mikhail Ulyanov said that Russia welcomed this initiative. The Zaporozhye NPP, located in Energodar, is controlled by Russian troops.
[and from another]
Breaking: Ukrainian Forces Land Commandos, Try to Take Nuclear Plant Before U.N. Team Arrives!
https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message5221242/pg1

SOZT
The Ukraine conflict has obviously been won by Russia, who is in the mopping up phase in the regions they now occupy. All that is left is to rename these regions, giving them Oblast names as is appropriate for Russian territories. The city of Kiev will stand alone with scant territories on its outskirts. Desperate to keep the illusion that Ukraine has won - an illusion embraced by the Western media and the source of funding from those who want the illegal activities that flourished in Ukraine to continue – Ukraine has taken a scorched Earth approach.

Kiev has long been known to use their own citizens as human shields, and as many journalists have documented to put the volunteers who rushed to help them on the front lines to be sacrificed. Kiev hoped that if Zaporozhye became another Chernobyl then perhaps the Russians would leave in disgust or at the very least be distracted in their press toward the embattled City of Kiev. As was quickly reported by the media, Ukraine’s commandoes failed miserably, and in that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was arriving on the scene that same day, documented the whole story.
EOZT

[39mo185h7h7oi]

Is this emergency alert telling all in the LA area to evacuate a preparation for the San Andreas which will be followed after the New Madrid rip?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/emergency-alert-telling-all-la-eastern-n...

[Nancy Lieder]

Declined as like the EBS system in general, they do tests on occasion and flub up some times, sending out as a real time alert by mistake. They are supposed to SAY that "just a test" or some such. I note the heading was that it was a NE Pacific tsunamis type alert, so not San Andrease or New Madrid. The Pacific is always compressing. They do get tsunami along the coast. 

Kamil Rak said:

Is this emergency alert telling all in the LA area to evacuate a preparation for the San Andreas which will be followed after the New Madrid rip?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/emergency-alert-telling-all-la-eastern-n...

[Stanislav]

Hi Nancy and Zetas,

The Zetas have stated that most Service-to-Self inevitably become Service-to-Others. However, they also stated that there are those who remain. HOWEVER they also stated that in higher densities the Service-to-Self is trying new paths. It turns out that all Service-to-Self leave their orientation sooner or later? According to Oahspe, for example, this is so.

The thought that this is forever is terrible! Can they at least reach the point where they no longer need incarnations? The Zetas have said that there are such Souls in the Service-to-Self.

ZetaTalk: Merging Later. Some entities never learn this, and spend eternity among the Service-to-Self, stymied. However, the higher densities find the Service-to-Self entities brooding and serious, introspective and trying new ways on for size.

It is our understanding that some souls never do budge from their self-serving orientation. What God's plan is in this matter we can only speculate and decline to do so. https://www.zetatalk5.com/index/zeta492.htm

ZetaTalk: Without a Body. For those in the Service-to-Self, it is force of will and intensity that creates domination. Among the Service-to-Self, there are still the big bosses and the go-fers, even when there are no bodies to bully with.

18. Ahura said: If a man plant an acorn in a flower-pot, and it take root and grow, one of two things must follow: the growth must be provided against or the pot will burst. Even thus draweth, from the sources around about, the lowest druj in heaven. None of the Gods can bind him forever. Alas, he will grow. All our bondage over them cannot prevent the soul, soon or late, taking root and growing. How, then, can we be Gods over them forever?

https://oahspestandardedition.com/OSE_40_4.html

Thank you

[Nancy Lieder]

Declined as you are asking the Zetas to confirm something they wrote. There is no change. Some STS remain in that state forever, and are restricted from activities accordingly. You are asking for ZetaTalk to be completely aligned with the Oashpe which is not what is done for various prophecies. There are always nuances of differences. Essentially, they say the same thing. Declined because you are hand wringing.  Unless you are a STS who worries about such a thing happening to you, why do you fret about this? "The thought that this is forever is terrible! Can they at least reach the point where they no longer need incarnations? The Zetas have said that there are such Souls in the Service-to-Self."

Stanislav said:

The Zetas have stated that most Service-to-Self inevitably become Service-to-Others.

[39mo185h7h7oi]

Hi Stanislav. Here is what The Law of One says about this. This might help.

"The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and vice-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned."

Stanislav said:

The Zetas have stated that most Service-to-Self inevitably become Service-to-Others.

[Stanislav]

Hi Nancy and Zetas,

Thanks for all your work. Sorry, I worded my question a little wrong. And wasted your time.

It's not about Oahspe. It's just that the Zetas say that some STSs never leave their orientation, but later in the same article they ADD that in higher densities they are trying new ways on for size:

Some entities never learn this, and spend eternity among the Service-to-Self, stymied. However, the higher densities find the Service-to-Self entities brooding and serious, introspective and trying new ways on for size.

https://www.zetatalk5.com/orientat/o34.htm

Just to clarify what is written in this article. And in other articles too. In other articles they say that this situation does not stay forever. And that it could be forever but they're not sure.

As undecided, I'm a little worried. Very unlikely in my case, but it's not a conscious decision!

Neither of these situations is permanent, as the soul is always able to make its own decisions and can change

https://www.zetatalk5.com/ning/04de2010.htm

There is no limit on how long a stunted or stagnant soul can sit in such a situation. It can be forever.

https://www.zetatalk5.com/ning/26mr2011.htm

Of course, those who take a detour by choosing the Service-to-Self orientation take longer, as after a certain point they cannot proceed in their growth unless they become willing to focus less on the self.

http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m01.htm

Sorry again. I need to better phrase my questions...

[Nancy Lieder]

The Zetas have described the process wherein souls may swing to the STS, then back, dithering. This dithering may go on for a long time. Or the STS soul may ponder whether he should takes steps toward being STO. None of that changes anything nor does the existing ZT need clarification. Yes you are talking about yourself with this question! "As undecided, I'm a little worried. " Just be empathectic and take action to help others and you won't have to worry. 

Stanislav said:

As undecided, I'm a little worried. Very unlikely in my case, but it's not a conscious decision!

[Nancy Lieder]

Yoda said "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will."