ZetaTalk Chat for November 30, 2023

[Nancy Lieder]

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3. The Zetas, as all visitors, are under rules on how they interact with humanity. They are not here to rescue you. They cannot divert Planet X just as today they do not prevent droughts or floods. The Earth is mankind’s schoolhouse whereby he learns to help his fellow man.
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Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 78 years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek. To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

Bear in mind, during these chats, what you are asking of ourselves and Nancy. You have a resource here which you are regularly wasting and exhausting with idiotic questions! Nancy has warned that the time is quickly coming when you will get no response from her at all, just a statement as to which questions will be accepted. You have complained when she told you, in no uncertain terms, what was wrong with your demands or your questions. But those who do not learn are destined to be ignored, which is what is coming next.

[Nancy Lieder]

New Analysis of 200ft 'Glowing Orange' UFO Revealed
https://www.disclose.tv/id/jvnk0coep4/
An image showing the sun shining through white clouds over the Andes Mountains also features a band of reddish clouds encasing a 'a seemingly massive saucer-shaped object.'
[and from another]
New analysis of 200ft 'Saucer-Shaped object' Spotted over the Andes Mountains in 2010 finds it is 'a Genuine UFO': 'We're Getting Closer to the Truth,' Scientists Say
October 27, 2023
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12677621/chile-ufo-...
The Chilean government shared the photo with NARCAP, an advisory of aviation professionals investigating UPAs and aviation safety. Ted Roe, head of the organization, conducted a lengthy analysis of the image, publishing a 23-page report on July 2, 2010. Roe was featured on 'The Proof is Out There' where he said: 'This study resolves that this is in fact an external anomaly.
[and from another]
UFO sighting caught on tape Chile 2/26/2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iK1kG4TCo
[and from another]
A Formerly Classified ‘UFO Sighting’ Video Was Just Released by the Chilean Government
January 1, 2017
https://observer.com/2017/01/chilean-government-releases-classified...
The Chilean government has been keeping an especially intriguing 10-minute UFO siting secret for the past two years, but now video evidence along with an official report have been declassified and released.

SOZT
Motherships hide in clouds,
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31ma2021.htm
as we have repeatedly explained. When they leave their hide, they often leave a hole in the clouds.
https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta361.htm
On occasion they can be visible while cloaked by the clouds, as happened in 2021 in Edmonton.
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue766.htm
The sighting under review by NARCAP is from 2010 when a flaming hole
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue177.htm
in the clouds was also captured on film. Is there a relationship? Chile has been a leader in the disclosure efforts, providing evidence previously classified by their military in 2017. The flaming Mothership sighting and the flaming hole in the clouds was arranged to encourage this process.
EOZT

Prior 5/31/2021 ZT:
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31ma2021.htm
We have confirmed in the past that Motherships can be cloaked in clouds, by several means. Light can be bent around the Mothership so that it simply disappears from view. When assisted in this cloaking by clouds, a punch hole in the clouds can appear when the Mothership leaves, and the Mothership may be temporarily visible when the process of bending light around the sides of the ship is stopped. The clue that this is what the Edmonton photo captured is the uneven outline standing behind the clouds. The edges of the ship are visible when the cloud is absent, but hidden when the cloud is thick.

Prior 3/10/2007 ZT: 
https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta361.htm
The recent evacuation of a mothership or large ship, which was there, but concealed by the bending of light rays around the ship. Once the ship leaves, on a cloudy day, the hole in the clouds is at first apparent!

[Nancy Lieder]

Bank Deposit Delays: Some Customers still haven’t been Paid
November 6, 2023
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/06/business/bank-deposits-paycheck/inde...
Some customers still haven’t received their direct deposit paychecks following a “human error” last week deep in the plumbing of America’s banking system. The deposit delays are linked to a problem that emerged on Friday with the Automated Clearing House (ACH) payments system, causing headaches for consumers and employers. Banks stressed to customers that all funds are secure. Payments that did not go through late last week had to be resent, a process that can take time.
[and from another]
FDIC Takes Over Fifth U.S. Bank of 2023
November 6, 2023
https://dsnews.com/news/11-06-2023/fdic-fifth-bank-2023
Citizens Bank, based in Sac City, Iowa, has been closed by the Iowa Division of Banking due to financial instability, marking the fifth U.S. bank failure reported in 2023.
The Iowa Division of Banking has appointed the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) as receiver.
[and from another]
US and Israel Headed for some sort of Mega Black Swan Event
November 6, 2023
https://benjaminfulford.net/us-and-israel-headed-for-some-sort-of-m...
the Federal Reserve Board -the fountain of power for the Satanists- is on the verge of collapse. If it goes, then everything under it, such as the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CORPORATION, the BIS, the World Bank, the IMF, the UN and 90% of the world’s transnational corporations will also collapse and come under new management. Mossad sources further claim Israel as a corporation has expired on October 31st. Also, China has removed Israel from its maps.
[and from another]
https://twitter.com/Prolotario1/status/1721734305074774332
Israel is no longer protected as a sovereign state. Banks are collapsing. Countries are dumping the USD. The Middle East no longer accepts it in oil contracts. We are going back on the Gold Standard. The Federal Reserve was already absorbed by the US Treasury. Their printing press is gone.
[and from another]
Balfour Declaration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing its support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community.
[and from another]
SWIFT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWIFT#SWIFTNet_Phase_2
The Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (Swift), is a Belgian cooperative society providing services related to the execution of financial transactions and payments between certain banks worldwide. Its principal function is to serve as the main messaging network through which international payments are initiated. SWIFT was founded in Brussels on 3 May 1973.
[and from another]
China's SWIFT 'Equivalent' goes Viral in Capital Market
March 1, 2022
https://www.shine.cn/news/in-focus/2203012548/
CIPS or the Cross-Border Interbank Payment System, seen as the Chinese equivalent of the globally-used SWIFT, The others include Europe's INSTEX (Instrument in Support of Trade Exchanges) and Russia's SPFS (Financial messaging system of the Bank of Russia).
[and from another]
What Is FedNow?
https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/banking/fednow
FedNow is the Federal Reserve’s new instant payment service that will enable customers at participating banks and credit unions to send and receive money within seconds, 24/7 and every day. You’d be able to complete payments or transfers on weekends, holidays and after banks’ business hours, which isn’t the case for standard online transfers such as those through the Automated Clearing House (ACH) network. ACH transfers are processed in batches and tend to take one to three business days to complete. So far, 35 banks have signed up as early adopters of FedNow, including JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo, but notably not including Citigroup or Bank of America.
[and from another]
Basel III: An Essential Guide
https://www.delphix.com/glossary/basel-iii
Basel III is a set of international banking regulations developed by the Bank for International Settlements in order to promote stability in the international financial system. Basel III regulation is designed to decrease damage done to the economy by banks that take on too much risk. 

SOZT
Over the weekend November 4-5 the public was alarmed by reports that their anticipated Direct Deposits were going to be delayed. This was accompanied by the announcement that yet another US bank – Citizens Bank in Iowa – had failed. This raised the specter of bank runs, wherein depositors rush to their bank and demand to cash out. There is a banking transition in process, not explained to the public but nonetheless very real. Like a shark swimming under the surface, on occasion a fin will be seen cutting through the water while the old banking system is subsumed and swapped over to the new.

We in ZetaTalk have addressed these various secret transitions by describing how the Fed is Dead
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue891.htm
due to the US being unable to pay its huge interest payment to the Rothschilds banks. Thus the contract from 1917 giving the Rothschild bankers control over the US printing press was broken, and oh by the way the National Debt is no longer in force. The Debt Clock may have reflected this status, but the many banks that hung like grapes from the vine of the Rothschild banking system in the West were caught in a state of transition. All this coincides with the ending of the Balfour Agreement
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue894.htm
on October 31, 2023 which established Israel as a country on Palestinian lands.

One of the changes noted months ago was switching to a new means of interbank and intercountry money transfers. The western banks have long used the SWIFT system, established in Belgium in 1973 and very much under the control of the Rothschild banks who can block transfers if they wish. This is one of the means by which sanctions were imposed upon Russia, but Russia and China as BRICS members used an alternative system. Notably, alternatives to SWIFT have emerged in the US during the banking system transition to the new QFS but there are many pitfalls.

There are many changes ahead as the US Junta and their legitimate President Donald Trump address the threats facing the US. It has quietly appeared in the news that the new Speaker of the House is the 45th,
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/nov/03/facebook-posts/us...
not the 56th due to a return to the original Constitution. As we have addressed, to correct the 2020 election fraud the Senate met over Memorial Day weekend
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue871.htm
to impeach Biden and swear in President Trump, though the public has yet to be informed. The Movie
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue874.htm
that was imposed by the Junta to limit civil war during this process is showing signs of ending, with the use of Doubles being openly exposed.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

Iceland volcano - live: Shock images show ground splitting as eruption fears grow
November 14, 2023
https://www.aol.com/iceland-earthquakes-live-volcano-eruption-19264...
Shock images show roads split apart near Grindavik in Iceland as the country braced for a volcanic eruption following a series of earthquakes and evidence of magma spreading underground. The country is susceptible to earthquakes because it sits on a tectonic plate boundary that continually splits apart, pushing North America and Eurasia away from each other along the line of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.

SOZT
It is clear from geological evidence that the split from Iceland to the Azores has happened before. The scripted drama of the Pangea breakup has Eurasia spreading while the Pacific compresses, which makes this split inevitable. The Iceland volcanoes are not super volcanoes, but like all volcanoes require residents to evacuate temporarily. This spate of quakes and crevasses is a result of the pulling apart of the N American Continent - the New Madrid Rupture.

The Mainland Portion of N America is bound to the Eurasian Plate to the East and North, but the Mainland of N America is also being pulled West and South during the New Madrid Rupture process, dropping onto Mexico. The SE Portion is being pulled East with Africa. Until the New Madrid Rupture completes, releasing any hold the SE Portion had upon the Mainland Portion in Canada, the border tug tearing Iceland apart will continue. Given the pending New Madrid Rupture, Iceland’s pain will soon end.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

Recently, there was a leak on 4chan that reportedly showed videos and images taken during Voyager 1's journey through the solar system during the 1970's. The images appear to show a multitude of UFO's of varying construction within several planetary systems, including one in the Jovian system that appears to be of a similar construction to the Black Knight satellite. The question is, are these videos genuine and if so, was this leak made as part of the process of alien disclosure?
[and from another]
Full Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_JIDcoAZBI
Archive.org:
https://archive.org/download/voyager-solar-system-pictures-and-videos
[and from another]
https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
[and from another]
Voyager 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1
Voyager 1 is a space probe launched by NASA on September 5, 1977, as part of the Voyager program to study the outer Solar System and interstellar space beyond the Sun's heliosphere. Launched 16 days after its twin Voyager 2, Voyager 1 has been operating for 46 years, 2 months and 8 days as of November 14, 2023 UTC.  

SOZT
This significant leak was deliberate, as the number of images and even a video are more in keeping with a publication than a leak. What Voyager 1 data is showing are bright moving objects that can hardly be asteroids. Denial of the alien presence has been a long running cover-up but has faced a losing battle. It is more than the release of UFO archives that is required for NASA to remain credible because the public is seeing UFO’s in their skies regularly. NASA is trying to get ahead of these UFO displays by revealing Voyager 1 evidence which is undeniable and stunning.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

What was the purpose of Xi Jinping’s visit to San Francisco to meet with “Biden”? Given the Chinese’s recent attempt of invasion of the US homeland, from Canada into the Midwest. Have they made peace before the New Madrid Rupture? Which will devastate China according to the Zetas. 
[and from another]
Biden, Xi met for Hours and Agreed to ‘Pick up the Phone’ for any Urgent Concerns: ‘That’s Progress’
November 15, 2023
https://apnews.com/article/biden-xi-apec-san-francisco-58d11e7e3902...
 U.S. President Joe Biden and China’s Xi Jinping emerged Wednesday from their first face-to-face meeting in a year vowing to stabilize their fraught relationship and showcasing modest agreements to combat illegal fentanyl and re-establish military communications. The two leaders spent four hours together at a bucolic Northern California estate — in meetings, a working lunch and a garden stroll — intent on showing the world that while they are global economic competitors they’re not locked in a winner-take-all faceoff.
[and from another]
China, Japan Reaffirm 'Strategic Relationship' in rare Leader Talks
November 17, 2023
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/japan-pm-kishida-hold-talks-with-c...
Chinese President Xi Jinping and Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida said they would pursue mutually beneficial relations in their first face-to-face talks in a year, putting emphasis on shared economic interests amid a series of diplomatic disputes. The leaders of Asia's two largest economies discussed thorny issues such as China's ban on Japanese seafood and the case of a Japanese businessman detained in China on suspicion of espionage during hour-long talks at a hotel in San Francisco on Thursday.

SOZT
Clearly it was not the real Xi Jinping that visited San Francisco. The Double has a narrow forehead where the real Xi has a square face, and Xi has suffered several assassination attempts recently. The purpose of the visit was to reassure the world that there will be no military conflicts emerging when the New Madrid Rupture occurs. Both China and the US will be vulnerable at that time, with the headquarters of China hurriedly moved from Beijing and Martial Law being officially announced in the US while DC deals with flooding. Neither country will take advantage of the other, that is the message.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

Nov. 15th, 2023-Idaho- A question for the Zetas if they have the time. I am noticing a helix pattern in the clouds as of late . Is this due to Nibiru's gravity field enveloping the Earth and showing the particle flows within the clouds?
[and from another]
Idaho Helix 2023
https://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/nibiru-visibility
[and from another]
Florida Red Light
https://t.me/GeneralMCNews/6429
[and from another]
Italy Explosion
https://twitter.com/SpriterMonitor1/status/1726229643143836148
A mysterious bright light appears in the sky in Monteromano, Italy. Wonder what was disbursed over Italy from the west?
[and from another]
https://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue783.htm

SOZT
What would it take to convince the public that Nibiru was a real and present danger? The cover-up over Nibiru is strong with hundreds assassinated to silence them. But lately Nibiru has been mentioned in passing on Internet forums because the rumor is that Nibiru will be admitted, forced to be admitted by some means. Russia would like to inform the public and has the means, but even with Xi confirming his statements this would be dismissed by the western press as political games.

We have stated that in 2021 the visibility of Nibiru would be undeniable,
https://zetatalk.com/ning/31jy2021.htm
and it was, but the result was a tightened coverup with more excuses from NASA’s think tanks. UFO’s are barely admitted, despite dramatic displays in the skies, with the excuses provided including Chinese lanterns and drones controlled by the public. Fleeting photos or videos are claimed to be CGI with plenty of experts on the payrolls to back up that claim. Even the wobble, with the Sun rising and setting out of place, is not sufficient because it is ignored by the media, thus in essence denied.

Dramatic Displays of burning petrol visible to the public increased in 2021 with Alberto’s dramatic capture
https://zetatalk.com/ning/30sp2021.htm
of Nibiru with its Double Helix, but such displays are treated by the coverup as burning meteors or space junk returning to Earth. Given that Nibiru itself is shrouded by Red Dust and Petrol so is seldom fully visible, how can the coverup be broken? A barrage of burning Petrol in the sky, worldwide and in a vast display so that all excuses fail, would bring the subject into the open, and will be tried next.
EOZT

Prior Hexagram ZT:
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30ap2018.htm
What is the significance of an octagonal UFO seen over a Chinese city? On March 15, 2018 a hexagon UFO was filmed next to the ISS. A hexagon UFO was also present next to the ISS in February, 2015. Distinct geometric shapes, especially where displayed where they will be recorded on film, are used to convey a message to a broad audience, as they are rare and undeniable.  The ISS has sleeping quarters for 6, though it can for a short time host more astronauts. The hexagon UFOs that have visited the ISS are telepathically warning those aboard that they are in danger from the debris in the tail of Nibiru.

Prior NibDogs 7/1/2023 ZT:
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31jy2023.htm
What appear to be cloud waves rising through a Sun Halo is a lower atmosphere phenomena caused by the dual effect of light rays coming both from the Sun and from Nibiru.  The familiar Sundogs are reflected light from the Sun bouncing off ice crystals. Now we have a mix with reflected light from Nibiru, which perhaps should be called NibDogs or a NibHalo. Since Nibiru rotates counterclockwise in a retrograde manner, this reflected NibLight is rolling upward and to the left. This phenomena has been noted in antiquity too, during the last passage of Nibiru.

Prior 9/30/2021 ZT: 
https://zetatalk.com/ning/30sp2021.htm
This dramatic photo capture by Alberto shows what the people of Earth will soon be seeing regularly. We have referred to Nibiru as the Nibiru Complex because it presents many parts, all of them visible in this photo shot. There is the corpus of Nibiru in the center, a distinct orb that casts a shadow on the shade side. Then there is the Double Helix of the dominant moons on either side, twisting in this photo into a dark swirl of Petrol. A long String of Pearls is on the outer side of this complex, enclosed in burning Petrol so it casts a light down on Nibiru. Nibiru can no longer be denied.

Prior 7/31/2021 ZT: 
https://zetatalk.com/ning/31jy2021.htm
But can a Petrol Monster in space, between Nibiru and the Earth, alight? The components of such a burn exist within the Petrol, in that there is always some oxygen captured in various compounds. Once alit by the heat of the Sun or perhaps an interplanetary lightning flash, a slow smoldering burn can start and proceed until free oxygen is no longer released. Oxygen can in fact be passed around, from first one burn to another, if the result of the first burn is fragile. What would the people of Earth conclude, seeing the sky on fire?

[Nancy Lieder]

What is causing this?
[and from another]
Acute Respiratory Distress Due to Methane Inhalation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3617131/
Inhalation of toxic gases can lead to pneumonitis. It has been known that methane gas intoxication causes loss of consciousness. In this report, we described the first case of acute pulmonary toxicity from accidental inhalation of methane in a medical gas supply room. To the best of our knowledge, this is the first reported case of acute pulmonary toxicity related to methane gas inhalation. In this case report, we highlight that even a short exposure time to a high concentration of methane gas can be sufficient to cause a serious problem.
[and from another]
https://twitter.com/GeneralMCNews/status/1727363045796479219?s=20
[and from another]
Another Pandemic? Mystery Pneumonia Sweeps Through Chinese Schools
November 22, 2023
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mystery-child-pneumonia-sweeps-thro...
In Beijing and Liaoning, hospitals are struggling with an influx of sick children, while both students and teachers are affected. The affected children present with unusual symptoms, including lung inflammation and high fever, but noticeably lack the typical cough and other signs associated with flu, RSV, and other respiratory illnesses.

SOZT
Beijing has been the center of Methane from ripping rock and its associated CO from the burning of this Methane underground. Notably news of school children in Beijing and the Liaoning region to the northeast of Beijing across the bay being affected are dated at the same time that Beijing has turned a deep red from the burning Methane on CO maps. The prevailing Westerlies blow these gasses across the bay to Liaoning, which is often afflicted with Methane gas as well.

For years China has been pushed toward the Pacific by the Eurasian Plate stretch, to the extent that their roads at times melted and boiling water
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue885.htm
bubbled up in the swamps. This new Methane pneumonia is notable in school children and their teachers, who reside in cramped rooms with inadequate ventilation. Trapped in the rooms, the gasses irritate the lungs. The immune system cannot resolve this as there is no germ to be addressed.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

Would the zetas care to comment on the current state of AI? It seems like something big is about to happen. Is this smoke and mirrors for some kind of control like Covid? Do humans have the power to create sentient life? Will it end like the Terminator movies before Niburu comes in!
[and from another]
Was Sam Altman's Sacking by OpenAI's Board over 'Q-Star' Breakthrough Seen as Threat to Humanity?
November 23, 2023
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/was-sam-altman-sacking-openais...
In the days before Altman was sent off into exile, several staff researchers penned a letter to the board about a significant breakthrough - called Q* and pronounced Q-Star - that allowed the AI model to "surpass humans in most economically valuable tasks."  The AI milestone was one of the significant factors that led to the board's abrupt firing of Altman last Friday. Another concern was commercializing the advanced AI model without understanding the socio-economic consequences. AGI has the potential to surpass humans in every field, including creativity, problem-solving, decision-making, language understanding, etc., raising concerns about massive job displacement. A recent Goldman report outlines how 300 million layoffs could be coming to the Western world because of AI.
[and from another]
Goldman Sachs Predicts 300 Million Jobs Will Be Lost 
March 29, 2023
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2023/03/31/goldman-sachs-pre...
Goldman Sachs maintains that if generative AI lives up to its hype, the workforce in the United States and Europe will be upended.
[and from another]
Bill Gates Teases the Possibility of a 3-day Work Week where 'Machines can Make all the Fod and Stuff'
November 23, 2023
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-teases-possibility-3-1218...
Forget the four-day week—Microsoft founder Bill Gates is anticipating a three-day work week could be possible thanks to artificial intelligence. Amid fears that mankind will struggle to compete against computers leading to mass unemployment, Gates is refreshingly predicting a utopian world where “machines can make all the food and the stuff, and we don’t have to work as hard”.
[and from another]
OpenAI Researchers Warned of AI breakthrough that could Threaten Humanity' ahead of CEO Sam Altman's Ouster
https://www.disclose.tv/id/077mc5dtpl/
Ahead of OpenAI CEO Sam Altman's four days in exile, several staff researchers sent the board of directors a letter warning of a powerful artificial intelligence discovery that they said could threaten humanity, two people familiar with the matter told Reuters.

SOZT
During the Industrial Revolution there was panic over lost jobs, as there had been prior to that when farm labor was replaced by tractors and combines. The panic at present is due less to the possibility that more repetitive labor will be replaced by robots than it is to what is being revealed about the pending death rate likely to occur during Nibiru’s passage. We have explained that even apparent Thinking Machines
https://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r47.htm
are only following their programming.
https://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r50.htm
Unlike the movie Terminator,
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31de2021.htm
no AI to date can fully replace human workers.

AI could affix two pieces of lumber together, adjusting lengths to widths and inserting screws for the resulting hold needed, but could not raise an Amish barn. AI can examine the components of a blood sample but cannot insert a needle into every arm of every patient without creating injury. The panic over Sam Altman's statements was due to the elite fearing their expectations had been revealed. Why the rush when there is already a job shortage during a time of food and materials shortage? The elite envision a time of riots and societal collapse, and plan to shield themselves from the populace by AI workers and militia.
EOZT

Prior 1995 ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r17.htm
A goal of research scientists is to create robots so effective at running matters that all of mankind in essence becomes akin to the upper class - waited on hand and foot. To be effective in these roles, robots would have to repair and reproduce themselves, or each other, i.e. propagate; be able to adapt to changing circumstances, i.e. learn; and, since mankind can't be bothered, make logical determinations, i.e. think. Mankind, in short, is too dumb to create a handy-dandy version of intelligent, sentient life. One, per their desires, which would never break down or talk back, would always look good, be compliant in bed, foresee one's needs, repair the car, be infinitely loyal, smart as a whip but never look down on the master, and never suffer from neglect. The child's dream.

Prior 1997 ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r47.htm
Robots were first thought of during human development as workers, other humans. With the advent of programmable machines such as computers, the thought of having machines as slaves is irrepressible. They don’t require wages, never demand a day off, and can be relied upon to be consistent and do what they were told to do! Such a cooperative slave. Robots are developed and used up to but not beyond the point where they could be considered sentient or conscious, as the Council of Worlds does not allow thinking machines, in essence biorobots, to be developed and enslaved by other intelligent species. The line is drawn where including the components of life would enter in - DNA capable of self initiated thought, emotion, and most particularly a conscious sense of the self as separate from the surroundings.

Prior 1997 ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r50.htm
Computer programs are not considered brains by most humans only because they can gaze at and understand the program, and can see that the computer is simply following instructions. Robots, however, are bounded in what they can address. Even where robots are designed to repair themselves and make minor adjustments to their surroundings, they are still operating within their original programming.

Prior ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31de2021.htm
The new fascination with Transhumanism is due to the elite facing the near future of the Nibiru passage with white knuckle fear. The populace will no longer listen to the establishment, who failed to warn them or to arrange a shelter for them. Machines such as Drones can be used by the Military for
surveillance or even in combat, but drones do not cover all the functions the elite need under their control. The Manchurian Candidate concept - whereby hypnotic suggestion directs human drones has been tried and failed. Telepathy is innate and natural in humans, despite the efforts of Remote Viewers to control the soul or the innate agenda of the human.

Now what? The popularity of the TV series Planet of the Apes is based on a real desire of the establishment to increase the intelligence of non-human animals to the point where they would be a controllable slave class. Thus Transgenic Monkeys where human tissue is inserted into monkeys, or Frankenrobots - putting living tissue into machines. Our use of implants in our human contacts is akin to an on-board phone system, not to control the human. And where we use living tissue in our sky computers this is akin to mankind's use of cow leather for shoes.

The elite, who desperately want to create a human slave class, are stuck with the human body and brain. Mankind is not intelligent enough to genetically engineer a super race. Mankind cannot even eliminate genetic diseases or increase intelligence. Outside of selective breeding, whereby the defective genes are blocked or the desired genes encouraged, there is little mankind can do at present. The elite cannot cage or capture the human soul, nor can they direct the human will. Instead, a time of perfect karma for the elite awaits.

[Nancy Lieder]

Interesting funnel-shaped light pillars from Sweden
[and from another]
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10160908207383280&set=pcb.1...
[and from another]
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue492.htm

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Methane Light Towers
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/22ag2015.htm
have been sighted since 2008 in various countries such as Iraq due to Plate Movement, but they always took on a clear or pale blue color or assume the background color of the sky. Colorless. In 2022
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31oc2022.htm
photos from Russia showed towers in an orange color, and now in 2023 photos from Sweden show orange as well as the pale blue color. What causes this color variance and why the funnel shape?

Methane towers emerge from rotting vegetation trapped between rock layers, and because Methane is lighter than air it rises quickly and when it starts afire due to lightning or atmospheric friction it burns and can be seen from afar. But the route is always up, not down. Tornado funnels occur when cold air drops rapidly through warmer air, resulting in a swirl. This process is down, not up. What could cause even pale blue Methane Towers to take the funnel shape? Petrol in the tail of Nibiru is increasingly in the atmosphere, and when it encounters the Methane in a burning Methane Tower it too is set alight. Petrol is orange, and by the swirling motion in the tower as these two burning fuels mix the Methane Tower turns orange.
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Prior 2015 ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/22ag2015.htm
Light towers were noted in 2008 by soldiers in Iraq, who sighted these burning methane spires while wearing night vision goggles. Photos of twirling smoke drifting upward during the day in Canada showed that these towers were occurring during the day, also. Recently in Escanaba, Michigan a transformer exploded during a lightning storm, lighting a methane spire that had been released during an earthquake. And in late 2014 a methane flash in the Urals turned a highway into day for a few moments, in front of astonished commuters. The recent methane tower captures are close at hand, in low lying clouds, so the lit methane is under pressure and blowing out of the ground where seen, thus the tube appearance.

Prior 2022 ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31oc2022.htm
These yellow towers of light are appearing in Russian cities that border Europe but are not yet appearing in the Eastern half of Russia. Yes, as Shadow of Ezra indicated, the Russian Superweapon capable of blinding satellites with a blaze of light is in operation, but these towers of yellow light are not the Peresvet. As the damage on the Nord Stream pipelines shows, Eurasia is being pulled apart and releasing Methane towers. Eurasia is in a stretch from the West coast of the UK through to the East coast of China, and more is to follow.

[Nancy Lieder]

Did the Bridge give? Why all the action above the Bridge? Lately the Bridge has been smoky with CO. What will be the first sign that the Bridge has released?

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No jolt will occur. Where the separation of the Portions has occurred all the way up from NOLA to the Bridge, this will drift wider as the SE Portion starts to move, causing bridges to go down and areas without support drooping so that structures collapse. At the Bridge itself there will be no clues at all, beyond the Ohio River passage through the Bridge area widening.

Above the Bridge where the fault line climbs along the western side of Indiana, and on under the Seaway, there will be structures collapsing and roadways rupturing. These will at first be considered regional or local matters but when the Montreal location
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue759.htm
is reached and the Seaway widens it will be obvious that the SE Portion is on the move. Martial Law will already have been called in anticipation of all these disasters accelerating. 
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Prior ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30ap2021.htm
The St Lawrence Seaway rips open during the New Madrid adjustment. Booms are heard worldwide as rock strata snap during the 7 of 10 Plate Movements. The jolts can be felt and vibrating rock causes the sound. The UFO display seen overhead and recorded on video is depicting the wild ride that Montreal residents will take during the New Madrid adjustment soon to occur. The spread of the Seaway is clearly shown, with some closure at the end. During the New Madrid adjustment the tension before the major unzipping of the Fault Line will cause a large spread, which will prove to be temporary.

[Nancy Lieder]

As is our usual practice we are closing this November Q&A and opening the December Q&A. Please pose your questions there. Thank you.

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