ZetaTalk Chat for May 31, 2025

[Nancy Lieder]

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Zeta Rules that Apply

1. No personal counseling is done.This rule has been in place since 1996. Questions should be of broad interest to the general public.
2. Correlation or resolution of ZetaTalk with the work of other channels or authors is not done unless they predict and have a prediction accuracy track record, as otherwise they are not a peer of ZetaTalk which does so. This rule has been in place since 2002. Just because another website or author makes a statement does not make that statement true, nor will the Zetas explain to you why their statements are not true, as then they are taking time out to address the issue.
3. The Zetas, as all visitors, are under rules on how they interact with humanity. They are not here to rescue you. They cannot divert Planet X just as today they do not prevent droughts or floods. The Earth is mankind’s schoolhouse whereby he learns to help his fellow man.
4. The date of the pole shift cannot be given, but the sequence of events can be given. [ Link ] Check the ning pinned discussions and blogs for such information as the 7 of 10, the last weeks, etc.

Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 78 years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek. To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

[James of Idaho]

Good morning, Emissary.   I came across this image which has no date stamp, but I would ask the Zetas if this is an actual image of Nibiru with its double helix tail?

[Nancy Lieder]

This is most peculiar, attached or attracted to the Sun, a very round clearly defined ball shape as the central object. I Nancy have no clue and the Zetas say: 

SOZT This is an attempt at a hoax, so poorly done that those who understand the dynamics are not fooled. The tail is not narrow as shown, nor attacted only to the Sun. Nor is Nibiru crisply defined as a solid ball, but rather shrouded in Petrol and debris and Red Dust. EOZT

James of Idaho said:

Good morning, Emissary.   I came across this image which has no date stamp, but I would ask the Zetas if this is an actual image of Nibiru with its double helix tail?

[James of Idaho]

Thank you Nancy for the response.

Nancy Lieder said:

This is most peculiar, attached or attracted to the Sun, a very round clearly defined ball shape as the central object. I Nancy have no clue and the Zetas say: 

SOZT This is an attempt at a hoax, so poorly done that those who understand the dynamics are not fooled. The tail is not narrow as shown, nor attracted only to the Sun. Nor is Nibiru crisply defined as a solid ball but rather shrouded in Petrol and debris and Red Dust. EOZT

James of Idaho said:

Good morning, Emissary.   I came across this image which has no date stamp, but I would ask the Zetas if this is an actual image of Nibiru with its double helix tail?

[James of Idaho]

Good morning, Emissary.  My question for today  is to ask for insight to help us decipher and bring forth the awareness of Nibiru and its return for the passage yet once again.   In this ancient depiction I am interpreting what the symbolism may be as I see it and would ask for the Zetas help and guidance on if what I am interpreting is correct.   I see Nibiru being represented in many different forms from the figure sitting on the throne with what appears to be serpent hands sitting atop a beast that appears to have the same serpent hands and a mane that looks like a twisted helix being the double helix which forms the body of the beast/dragon.   The 7 major moon swirl tubes both in the hand of the seated person and above the head of all 3 personages.   The figure on the far right being what looks like a fish with the elongated head of an Anunnaki and it also has the serpent hands with the body being the double helix.   Would the Zetas help us to understand if this is the meaning of this image or clarify for us any discrepancies in my interpretation to better help us bring forth the Zeta message and the awareness of Nibiru and the pending passage there of?

[Nancy Lieder]

To me this seems like it has a juggler on the left and a puppet master on the right. Note the 7 balls in the air I find reminiscent of Revelations, the 7 balls in the air. Other than Nibiru being the Winged Globe with 2 wings and a tail, I don't find Nibiru in here. Your guess is as good as mine. Expecting lots of motion is apparent. 

Book of Revelations

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters, and they became blood. And there was a great earthquake, such as not since men were upon the earth. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 

James of Idaho said:

Good morning, Emissary.  My question for today  is to ask for insight to help us decipher and bring forth the awareness of Nibiru and its return for the passage yet once again.   In this ancient depiction I am interpreting what the symbolism may be as I see it and would ask for the Zetas help and guidance on if what I am interpreting is correct.   I see Nibiru being represented in many different forms from the figure sitting on the throne with what appears to be serpent hands sitting atop a beast that appears to have the same serpent hands and a mane that looks like a twisted helix being the double helix which forms the body of the beast/dragon.   The 7 major moon swirl tubes both in the hand of the seated person and above the head of all 3 personages.   The figure on the far right being what looks like a fish with the elongated head of an Anunnaki and it also has the serpent hands with the body being the double helix.   Would the Zetas help us to understand if this is the meaning of this image or clarify for us any discrepancies in my interpretation to better help us bring forth the Zeta message and the awareness of Nibiru and the pending passage there of?

[Nancy Lieder]

Quake swarm in the S Atlantic.
[and from another]
https://x.com/ZT_Followers/status/1918380926482170303
Straights of Magellen A huge adjustment is happening now. South America Roll - Antarctica Compression and Tilting, expect domino quakes elsewhere.
[and from another]
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue638.htm
At the start of the ZetaTalk saga, the Zetas predicted that New Land would rise between the tip of S America and the tip of Africa. This was to occur due to the compressing Pacific, which squeezes and depresses the Antarctic Plate on the Pacific side, and was also due to the spreading Atlantic which allows the Antarctic Plate to pop up on the Atlantic side. The Zetas predicted this New Land would rise during the hour of the Pole Shift.  
[and from another]
https://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue923.htm
In 2011 the Zetas warned that the emergence of New Land between the tip of S America and the tip of S Africa would occur when the Antarctica Plate was shoved up by Plate Movements due to pressure from the compressing Pacific. New Land had been a long-standing prediction by the Zetas, since 1999. When massive waves began to appear at the New Land spot in February and April of 2024 this prediction was confirmed as an example of Zetas RIGHT Again! New Land was pushing up with 83 foot waves, and right where the Zetas predicted.

SOZT
We predicted at the start of the ZetaTalk Saga in 1999 that New Land would emerge between the tip of S America and the tip of S Africa during the hour of the Pole Shift. As the Pacific compresses and the Atlantic spreads open, Antarctica must take the easy path and push into the S Atlantic. There have been clues that this is in the near future. In 2018 the MIMIC radar lines
http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31de2018.htm
pinpointed the spot we predicted to rise as New Land. Then in May of 2024 when some rising occurred, 50 to 83 foot waves were recorded in that region. Known as “Godzilla”, the mythical creature that rose from the sea, this incident remained unexplained by conventional science,.Flooding in Brazil
https://zetatalk.com/ning/31ma2024.htm
showed that land had heaved nearby.

Now a series of Plate Movements have once again shown what God intends to deliver during the hour of the Pole Shift. Plate Movements are still in process during the S American Roll where the top nob falls to the West, further inciting a compressing Pacific. And the Africa Roll is lobbing its top nob to the East while its foot slides into the S Atlantic, forcing the S Atlantic open while the New Land drama proceeds. Antarctica has nowhere to go but into the S Atlantic. Now where the Sandwich Island Platelet touches the Nazca Plate and the Antarctica Plate this unrelenting pressure has resulted in a mega quake swarm.
EOZT

Prior 5/8/2024 ZT:
https://zetatalk.com/ning/31ma2024.htm
Porto Alegre flooding is caused not by rain, which is a minor factor, but by backwash up the rivers draining Rio Grande do Sul. Godzilla rises from the sea, heaping 83 foot high waves that must drain somewhere as water seeks its level and wants to equalize. The tilt of the Antarctica Plate where the New Land is emerging directs this drainage toward S America. We described, precisely, in 2011 what would happen to S America when this onslaught occurred. Water would be trapped behind the coastal mountains and would be slow to drain. This prediction was for the time of the Pole Shift, but due to the current compression of the Pacific and expansion of the Atlantic, is showing the process now. The establishment is blaming Climate Change and rain, but when Godzilla began to aggressively rise from the sea recently no one was predicting this. Why not? Because rain would not have created this extensive flooding. 

Prior 12/31/2018 ZT: 
http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31de2018.htm
As was apparent over a year ago when the MIMIC radar lines were pointing at the border of the Antarctica Plate where it touches both the African and S American Plates, the New Land that we predicted would rise there during the hour of the Pole Shift is under pressure. As we noted just weeks ago when a magma slosh near Madagascar caused slight seismograph jiggles on the other side of the globe, magma movement can be silent. This recent worldwide slosh, though also silent, was also a major announcement. The New Land is on the rise!

Prior 1999 ZT: https://zetatalk.com/poleshft/p100.htm
The Antarctic plate finds the side abutting the Pacific under pressure, as the plates due to fold or crumble or subduct in the Pacific begin to do this. This in effect is forcing the Antarctic plate to fold itself, like a fan, and it resists this pressure to fold. The tendency is rather for the Antarctic plate to break away from these bordering plates, so it then becomes free to move. Likewise, along the Atlantic, the spreading plates in the Atlantic are asking the Antarctic plate to rip apart, which it resists, being a very solid plate. The point that gives, the weak point, is the border between the Antarctic plate and those in the Atlantic, as these are already weakened points. Thus, these weak points separate, the Atlantic plates going their way, the Antarctic staying in place.

[James of Idaho]

Thank you, Nancy.  I have some new videos with a lot of motion so will interpret the best I can.

Nancy Lieder said:

To me this seems like it has a juggler on the left and a puppet master on the right. Note the 7 balls in the air I find reminiscent of Revelations, the 7 balls in the air. Other than Nibiru being the Winged Globe with 2 wings and a tail, I don't find Nibiru in here. Your guess is as good as mine. Expecting lots of motion is apparent. 

Book of Revelations

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters, and they became blood. And there was a great earthquake, such as not since men were upon the earth. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 

James of Idaho said:

Good morning, Emissary.  My question for today  is to ask for insight to help us decipher and bring forth the awareness of Nibiru and its return for the passage yet once again.   In this ancient depiction I am interpreting what the symbolism may be as I see it and would ask for the Zetas help and guidance on if what I am interpreting is correct.   I see Nibiru being represented in many different forms from the figure sitting on the throne with what appears to be serpent hands sitting atop a beast that appears to have the same serpent hands and a mane that looks like a twisted helix being the double helix which forms the body of the beast/dragon.   The 7 major moon swirl tubes both in the hand of the seated person and above the head of all 3 personages.   The figure on the far right being what looks like a fish with the elongated head of an Anunnaki and it also has the serpent hands with the body being the double helix.   Would the Zetas help us to understand if this is the meaning of this image or clarify for us any discrepancies in my interpretation to better help us bring forth the Zeta message and the awareness of Nibiru and the pending passage there of?

[Nancy Lieder]

A subscriber sent me the Soviet cartoon "There Will Be Gentle Rains" from 1984 about the post-apocalypse, which showed an interesting date on the clock: December 31, 2026 and January 1, 2027. Then people on Earth turned to ashes, lying in their beds. A date familiar to us, now predicted by the Zetas as the approximate time of the pole shift. The cartoon was based on the story by Ray Bradbury "There Will Be Gentle Rains", published back in 1950. In the original story, the date was indicated as August 5, 2026! This coincides with the prediction of a Buddhist monk about the year 2026. The action of the story takes place in Olendale, California. How could old Ray know the date of the Pole Shift and was this story a warning to humanity? Perhaps he was a contactee and his handlers entrusted him with such a task.
[and from another]
Original cartoon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quyaaszg6jc

SOZT
We have explained that time travel
http://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r18.htm
does exist, as time is a factor that can be plugged into an equation and therefore can be manipulated. Time can be spun forward to reveal a likely outcome and then returned to the present day. Time can be unwound into the past if, for instance, a sample of DNA is needed for the hybrid program and then returned to the present. Per the rules set by the Council of Worlds, none of this changes the linear progress of time and space, nor is this a casual issue. Council approval is required at all steps.

If the year 2026-2027 has only recently been predicted by the Tibetan Monks, then was the author of the book “There Will Be Gentle Rains” allowed to have a glimpse of the future in 1950 when he made the claim that 8/5/2026 was the date? Yes. Verified precognition occurs rarely though frauds such as David Booth
https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta82.htm
do on occasion make carefully orchestrated claims. An example of genuine precognition is the 1595 Prophecy of the Popes by St. Malachy.
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta492.htm
Is the accuracy of ZetaTalk due to precognition? No, just careful observation on our part and logical thinking.
EOZT

Prior Confirmation 3/20/2004:
https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta82.htm
Suddenly on the talk show circuit in 2004, a virtual unknown with only a single premonition as prophecy track record, David Booth became the darling of the circuit due to a series of prophetic dreams about cataclysms caused by a passing body as large as the Moon. He seemed sincere, the premonition and his reporting of it to the FAA in 1979 were of record, and as a millionaire it seemed his motive was concern, not money, despite the up front pitch for book sales. Suddenly the new Pied Piper, the man without a failed track record as yet, it surprised none of his hosts when he stated he was invited by Sister Lucia to visit when he was scheduled to be in Spain. So billed as delivering potential insider information on the 3rd Fatima vision, he reported on C2C live radio that a visit had occurred, a personal message relayed by the Sister, and a request by the Sister to keep the content private. Within a day, this report was dashed as the C2C producers announced they had called the Carmelite convent and found no visit had occurred, nor had the aging Sister entertained anyone for some time.

Prior Confirmation 1/17/2009:
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta492.htm
Saint Malachy was prophetic about many popes and those wanting certain confirmation have extended these predictions to the present day popes by tenuous connections. That his list has come close is a credit to his precognitive abilities, which is as we have explained an ability to think logically and project into the future based on past events. Our rule since the start of 2002 has been to decline to comment on the predictions or comments of others unless this other source has some prediction accuracy. Saint Malachy qualifies.

Prior Time Travel 7/15/1999:
http://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r18.htm
Time is a natural function, and inserts itself into the workings of Nature just as sub-atomic particle flow does. Time is a function, and can be modified in what you might term equations such that what has occurred can be unraveled or raveled forward, predictably. Where time is a factor we can manipulate, occurrences that a given entity has experienced are linear. This is why time seems linear to you, as to you, your experiences occur in this manner and you have no basis to assume that time is otherwise.

Time travel, into the far future, or into the past such that changes are made, is a fiction. Traveling back does not allow one to affect all manner of things that might be tenuously related to an occurrence. There are so many other threads that weave forward, in other directions, and all these bind, like a web. Time travel is not given to 4th Density entities to manipulate at will. Time travel is governed by rules set by the Council of Worlds. These rules affect all 4th to 6th Density entities in your galaxy. Specific requests must be made to the Council of Worlds in all cases. Approval is given in only the most stringent of cases, where need has been demonstrated and alternatives are poor or non-existent. Time travel is never used to manipulate the outcome of events, as your media would have you believe. This would cause never ending chaos, as one could imagine.

Moving forward is basically a prediction, speeding up the time factor so that predictable events happen early. This creates a record in the physical matter that participated in this exercise, nothing more. Future travel must then be unwoven, undone, so the record is not in the physical anymore, just recorded in the soul. Thus, you might be moved forward to a meeting, to experience what would likely happen, but then be returned so that your body does not remember, but your soul does. This has been done, for instance, with Nancy, where she was expected to be at a meeting with MJ12 but also at work. She attended the meeting, recorded in her soul as did those members of MJ12 who were pertinent. At the meeting, this memory sufficed as a pre-meeting, so to speak, her physical attendance not required. All such incidences require specific permission by the Council of Worlds, and are rare.