ZetaTalk Chat for June 30, 2025

[Nancy Lieder]

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[Nancy Lieder]

President Trump posts on Truth Social that Biden was executed in 2020!
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https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114605660077722777
[and from another]
Trump Shares Wild Conspiracy Theory Suggesting Biden was Killed in 2020, Replaced by a Clone
June 1, 2025
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/donald-trump-shar...
President Donald Trump shared a post on Truth Social late Saturday night claiming his predecessor, Joe Biden, was ‘executed’ in 2020 and replaced by a clone. The 78-year-old posted a link on his page without any explanation. The original post, shared by a Trump follower, read: “There is no #JoeBiden - executed in 2020. #Biden clones doubles & robotic engineered soulless mindless entities are what you see. Democrats don't know the difference.”
[and from another]
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue768.htm
A common phrase in military terminology is the two-front war – to be avoided. The US Junta under President Trump did not intend to fight a war on more than one front, but they had no choice. Soros money delivered the Antifa war to the US, and the CCP desire to nab the US and Canadian bread basket food supply brought the CCP war to the US, and the Moloch child sacrifice battle with the Satanists inevitably brought this war to the US home front which was leading the charge. And while cleaning up the Deep State treason at Gitmo the Junta encountered a massive 2020 election fraud. How many fronts is that? I count five.
[and from another]
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue874.htm
To avoid civil war and the distraction of rioting, the Junta went with the Doubles route. Each Double is an actor and requires a team to maintain, so they are burdensome. The goal is to phase out each Double, but in the meantime they can be bait for a sting op to catch those involved in crimes and treason. There are dozens of Doubles, as this partial list from January 2023 shows.  There is always a tell, facial dimensions or tooth alignment or shape of the ear, etc. Biden's Double had a distinct signature change.
[and from another]
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue639.htm
On March 1, 2018 President Trump signed Executive Order (EO) 13825 clarifying the use of civilian courts and lawyers to assist Military Tribunals. The line would now be blurred such that civilian trials could be considered valid under Martial Law, and vice versa.
[and from another]
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue496.htm
The date was reset for September, 2015 when Jade Helm was anticipated to still be in place. When Obama once again failed to deliver, the Council of Worlds prepared for an internet delivery. Due to this and other failures, Chief of Staff General Dunford was rumored to have taken charge of the US government in a silent coup.

SOZT
Is the Movie ending? President Trump won the 2020 election but it was stolen by election fraud. He and the Junta had options as to how to proceed. As we reported at the time, the Junta was faced with a 5 front war -
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue768.htm
a CCP invasion via Canada, Antifa riots, Moloch child sacrifice, Deep State treason, and a 2020 election fraud. To avoid starting a civil war they decided to clean up these 5 wars covertly, prosecuting the guilty and replacing them with Doubles in the meantime. This was called The Movie.
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue874.htm

The US had been under Martial Law since 2015
https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue496.htm
when General Dunford prepared for riots by running the Jade Helm exercises. Obama lacked the courage to announce Nibiru but Martial Law remained in place. Why is President Trump exposing the existence of the Movie at this time? Nibiru is now being admitted by Russia and the fire that will be set under the debate will explode like wildfire around the world. Panic may be rampant with Martial Law called in every country. What President Trump has done with his Truth Social admission is officially announce Martial Law in the US.
EOZT

Prior 5/31/2021 ZT:
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31ma2021.htm
The Junta is preparing to overturn the 2020 election, announcing to the world that they had proof of election fraud in hand since the election occurred on November 3, 2020. As is patently clear, the US Military has never acknowledged a Biden Presidency, and with the use of Doubles a Biden Presidency has just been a well-orchestrated movie. President Trump never left office because the Insurrection Act was invoked on January 11, 2021 ahead of any swearing in of Biden. Congress is not in session or in power under Martial Law, thus the inauguration was invalid. The Junta has been dealing with multiple war fronts. The Junta had been hoping that the 2020 audits being done in the Swing States that were key in 2020 would prove the Biden Presidency illegitimate, but this is a slow process. Thus the Junta is preparing an alternative approach.

Prior 8/31/2020 ZT:
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31ag2020.htm
The list of options for the Junta presented last July included having the Junta take over the Biden campaign. This has happened. Is this legal? The Biden campaign is now officially an under-cover sting operation, under the FBI, and thus is legal.

[Nancy Lieder]

Could you shed some light on the Buga sphere? The famous researcher Jaime Mausan, who also discovered the tridactyl mummies from Peru, is now telling us about this sphere, which fell from the sky.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/scientists-discover-mysterious-sphere-co...
[and from another]
Mysterious Metal Sphere Sparks UFO Debate: ‘Never Seen a Piece Like This’
May 25, 2025
http://people.com/mysterious-metal-sphere-sparks-ufo-debate-never-s...
The object appears to have "no welds or joints” — both of which would typically indicate human manufacturing. The sphere also appears to have symbols carved on its surface. An X-ray of the object found that it consists of three layers of metal, along with nine “microspheres” in the interior.
[and from another]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqHnGFWe1BM

SOZT
Is this sphere alien or manufactured by humans? Aliens do not casually leave their artifacts about, due to the Element of Doubt rule imposed by the Council of Worlds. Thus with few exceptions, crash sites are cleaned up, leaving no trace of alien activity. The bones of dead aliens are discovered, such as the mummies in Peru, but bones cannot be traced so can be lost. That said, why would a manmade metal sphere be constructed and set airborne to be filmed and promoted?

Colombia is not a popular tourist destination. As with the Shroud of Turin
https://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m19.htm
Frauds can be perpetrated in order to increase tourist traffic. Metal melts so creating a smooth surface is possible. Making a metal object fly can be accomplished via a strong magnet below, pushing against the magnetic contents of the sphere. What is known is that the sphere was filmed in the sky, and then examined with x-ray. End of story.
EOZT

[Matt B]

Hello Nancy and Zetas.

Do the Zetas have any comment on the public feud between President Trump and Elon Musk? What caused this once-close alliance to deteriorate so quickly?

Was there genuine disagreement over economic matters, or are there other agendas in play?

Thank you for considering these questions.

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DOGE fallout intensifies as Musk claims Trump 'in the Epstein files'

6 June 2025

The relationship between US President Donald Trump and former aide Elon Musk has plunged to a new low, with the pair trading bitter barbs on social media.

Hours after Mr Trump lamented his break-up with Mr Musk at a White House press conference, the president took to his social media platform, threatening to cut off government contracts with Mr Musk's companies.

He also said that he "asked" Mr Musk to leave because he was "wearing thin".

In response, Mr Musk took to his own social media outlet, claiming Mr Trump "is in the Epstein files" and backing calls for the president to be impeached.

Until last week, Mr Musk held a cost-cutting role at the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE).

However, after the Tesla billionaire opposed the president's "big, beautiful bill" — which would increase the debt ceiling and slash taxes — Mr Trump says he asked Mr Musk to leave.

Posting on X, Mr Musk said "without me, Trump would have lost the election", accusing him of "such ingratitude".

"Elon was 'wearing thin'," Mr Trump hit back on Truth Social.

"I asked him to leave, I took away his EV Mandate that forced everyone to buy Electric Cars that nobody else wanted (that he knew for months I was going to do!), and he just went CRAZY!"

He then added: "The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts.

"I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!"

Tesla shares closed down more than 14 per cent following Mr Trump's comments, slashing $US153 billion ($235 billion) of the company's value.

Minutes after the closing bell, Musk replied, "Yes," to a post on X saying Trump should be impeached, before hitting back with his own claims.

"Time to drop the really big bomb: [Trump] is in the Epstein files," he said.

"That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT!"

Mr Musk offered no proof to back these claims.

Mr Trump later reacted on Truth Social, saying "I don’t mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-06/trump-disappointed-with-musk...

https://archive.is/LDczM

[Nancy Lieder]

Do the Zetas have any comment on the public feud between President Trump and Elon Musk? What caused this once-close alliance to deteriorate so quickly? Was there genuine disagreement over economic matters, or are there other agendas in play?
[and from another]
Can the Zeta's shed any light on what is going on with Elon suddenly bashing Trump  on X, saying he's in the Epstein files, have a nice day DJT etc? And Trump has made a response in Truth social saying "Elon has gone crazy". I know Elon was on the chopping block with the Junta having been guilty of aiding the Cabal with tunnels and attemot to escape to Mars and had been forced to use his funds to buy Twitter as part of a plea deal but not sure where that all is at now! Something big seems to be going on though!
[and from another]
DOGE Fallout Intensifies as Musk Claims Trump 'in the Epstein Files'
June 6, 2025
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-06/trump-disappointed-with-musk...
The relationship between US President Donald Trump and former aide Elon Musk has plunged to a new low, with the pair trading bitter barbs on social media. Hours after Mr Trump lamented his break-up with Mr Musk at a White House press conference, the president took to his social media platform, threatening to cut off government contracts with Mr Musk's companies. He also said that he "asked" Mr Musk to leave because he was "wearing thin". In response, Mr Musk took to his own social media outlet, claiming Mr Trump "is in the Epstein files" and backing calls for the president to be impeached. Until last week, Mr Musk held a cost-cutting role at the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). However, after the Tesla billionaire opposed the president's "big, beautiful bill" — which would increase the debt ceiling and slash taxes — Mr Trump says he asked Mr Musk to leave.
[and from another]
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gone-too-far-gop-lawmakers-rally-a...
[and from another]
Trump Gives Musk a Second Black Eye in Scorched Earth Attack
June 5, 2025
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gives-musk-a-second-black-eye-i...
In a scorched earth tirade in the Oval Office, Trump suggested that the Tesla boss was bitter because his “big beautiful bill” scrapped clean energy credits - which would impact Musk’s electric vehicle business - and also because the president withdrew the NASA nomination of a Musk ally.
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Grok
https://x.com/i/grok/share/ji0gydu59q8LCXRY5vDCbXXXU
The conspiracy theory about politicians and elites having black eyes, often dubbed the "Black Eye Club," revolves around the idea that these high-profile individuals sport unexplained black eyes—particularly on the left side—as a sign of something secretive or sinister.
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Twitter Takeover May 1, 2022 http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue813.htm
Elon Musk set the blue twitter bird all aflutter when he announced that he had purchased a controlling 9.2% ownership of Twitter stock. Then Musk declined a seat on the board, but instead allowed rumors to spread that he intended a hostile takeover of Twitter. In that Musk is currently a Double under the control of the Junta, what’s up? The Zetas explain

SOZT
Since March of 2020 Musk has been under the control of the Junta, as he was found guilty at Gitmo of using his Boring Company
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30ap2022.htm
to facilitate child trafficking. He plea bargained, giving his wealth to the Junta and cooperating on sting ops being run by the Junta. Thereafter the Musk persona operated as a Double. Musk’s partnership with President Trump has been to facilitate the DOGE reduction in government expense, as Nibiru’s Passage will force fiscal restraint. In this capacity Musk took the rage against DOGE and attempts by the Democrats to bankrupt his Tesla company.

Since what the public is seeing is a Movie, with many Doubles being used, the public can assume this tiff between Musk and Trump is staged. That Musk entered the Black Eye Club was unmistakable, signaling that he was being openly coerced to cooperate with the Deep State agenda. The public Musk is presented as a devoted father, and if his children were threatened he would likely capitulate. This chapter of The Movie is being run to show the world the pressure being put upon the GOP re the Budget. At some point Musk will re-enter to fray, angry at having been threatened and determined to push President Trump’s agenda again.
EOZT

Prior 3/31/2020 ZT: 
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31ma2020.htm
Now in May, 2020 Musk is suddenly cash strapped, and for a good reason. This is not a result of his Tesla plants being idled, nor has his personal wealth of an estimated 36 billion been exhausted. The Tribunals got around to the details of his case, and found him guilty of facilitation for financial gain. Musk has been assisted during his many endeavors by the Deep State, who seek to promote the New World Order Agenda. This includes child sacrifice, rape and murder for the Adrenochrome laden blood harvested from these terrified children. For this he lost his fortune, and may lose his life.

Prior 4/30/2022 ZT: 
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30ap2022.htm
We mentioned in March 2020 that Musk was before the Tribunals for allowing his Boring machines to assist those interested in Moloch worship. Anything for money, was his philosophy. Musk’s face showed the look of fear then, and since then has changed. Musk is not needed for technical leadership of SpaceX, so has been held at Gitmo while trying to bargain himself out by agreeing to do tasks for the Junta. His ill-gotten funds were seized, but in that the public thinks of him as a very wealthy man he had plenty to buy a controlling interest in Twitter, which the Junta now controls.

[Sergey Anfelso]

I previously wrote to Musk in X to acknowledge the Nibiru Planet.
They will not do so. It's not necessary for the Council to believe it. We're losing time with each passing month. There is no establishment here. If we can now lead the process ourselves, we can do that. The CoW, please assist us!!

Nancy Lieder said:

Есть ли у Зета какие-либо комментарии по поводу публичной вражды между президентом Трампом и Илоном Маском? Что заставило этот некогда тесный союз так быстро разрушиться? Были ли подлинные разногласия по экономическим вопросам или в игре есть другие планы?
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Могут ли Зета пролить свет на то, что происходит с Илоном, который внезапно нападает на Трампа из-за X, говоря, что он в файлах Эпштейна, хорошего дня, DJT и т. д.? А Трамп ответил в Truth social, сказав: «Илон сошел с ума». Я знаю, что Илон был на плахе с хунтой, будучи виновным в помощи Кабале с туннелями и попытками сбежать на Марс, и был вынужден использовать свои средства для покупки Twitter в рамках сделки о признании вины, но не уверен, где все это сейчас! Однако, похоже, происходит что-то большое!
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DOGE Fallout усиливается, поскольку Маск утверждает, что Трамп «находится в файлах Эпштейна»
6 июня 2025 г.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-06/trump-disappointed-with-musk...
Отношения между президентом США Дональдом Трампом и бывшим помощником Илоном Маском достигли нового минимума: пара обменивалась колкостями в социальных сетях. Через несколько часов после того, как г-н Трамп посетовал на свой разрыв с г-ном Маском на пресс-конференции в Белом доме, президент вышел на свою платформу в социальных сетях, пригрозив прекратить государственные контракты с компаниями г-на Маска. Он также сказал, что «попросил» г-на Маска уйти, потому что тот «истощается». В ответ г-н Маск вышел на свою собственную страницу в социальных сетях, заявив, что г-н Трамп «находится в файлах Эпштейна», и поддержав призывы к импичменту президента. До прошлой недели г-н Маск занимал должность по сокращению расходов в Департаменте эффективности государственного управления (DOGE). Однако после того, как миллиардер Tesla выступил против «большого, красивого законопроекта» президента, который увеличил бы потолок госдолга и сократил налоги, г-н Трамп заявил, что попросил г-на Маска уйти.
[и от другого]
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gone-too-far-gop-lawmakers-rally-a...
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Трамп ставит Маску второй синяк под глазом в результате атаки методом выжженной земли
5 июня 2025 г.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gives-musk-a-second-black-eye-i...
В тираде о выжженной земле в Овальном кабинете Трамп предположил, что руководитель Tesla был зол, потому что его «большой красивый законопроект» отменил кредиты на чистую энергию, что повлияло бы на бизнес Маска по производству электромобилей, а также потому, что президент отозвал кандидатуру НАСА союзника Маска.
[и от другого]
Grok
https://x.com/i/grok/share/ji0gydu59q8LCXRY5vDCbXXXU
Теория заговора о политиках и элите с черными глазами, часто называемая «Клубом черных глаз», вращается вокруг идеи, что эти высокопоставленные личности щеголяют необъяснимыми черными глазами — особенно с левой стороны — как признаком чего-то секретного или зловещего.
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Twitter Takeover 1 мая 2022 г. http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue813.htm
Илон Маск заставил синюю птичку Twitter трепетать, когда он объявил, что он купил контрольный пакет акций Twitter в размере 9,2%. Затем Маск отказался от места в совете директоров, но вместо этого позволил распространиться слухам о том, что он намерен осуществить враждебное поглощение Twitter. Поскольку Маск в настоящее время является двойником под контролем Хунты, что происходит? Зеты объясняют

SOZT
S С марта 2020 года Маск находится под контролем Хунты, поскольку он был признан виновным в Гуантанамо в использовании своей Boring Company
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30ap2022.htm
для содействия торговле детьми. Он заключил сделку о признании вины, отдав свое богатство Хунте и сотрудничая в операциях под прикрытием, проводимых Хунтой. После этого персона Маска действовала как Двойник. Партнерство Маска с президентом Трампом заключалось в содействии сокращению государственных расходов DOGE, поскольку проход Нибиру заставит ограничить фискальные расходы. В этом качестве Маск принял на себя гнев против DOGE и попыток демократов обанкротить его компанию Tesla.

Поскольку то, что видит публика, — это фильм, в котором задействовано много двойников, публика может предположить, что эта ссора между Маском и Трампом — постановка. То, что Маск вошел в Black Eye Club, было несомненным, что означало, что его открыто принуждают к сотрудничеству с повесткой дня Глубинного государства. Публике Маск представлен как преданный отец, и если бы его детям угрожали, он, скорее всего, капитулировал бы. Эта глава фильма показывается миру, какое давление оказывается на Республиканскую партию в вопросе бюджета. В какой-то момент Маск снова вступит в схватку, разгневанный на угрозы и полный решимости снова продвинуть повестку дня президента Трампа.
EOZT

P rior 3/31/2020 ZT: 
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31ma2020.htm
Теперь, в мае 2020 года, Маск внезапно оказался в затруднительном финансовом положении, и на то была веская причина. Это не результат простоя его заводов Tesla, и его личное состояние, оцениваемое в 36 миллиардов долларов, не было исчерпано. Трибуналы рассмотрели детали его дела и признали его виновным в содействии с целью получения финансовой выгоды. Маску во многих его начинаниях помогало Глубинное государство, которое стремится продвигать повестку дня Нового мирового порядка. Это включает в себя детские жертвоприношения, изнасилования и убийства ради крови, содержащей адренохром, собранной у этих испуганных детей. За это он потерял свое состояние и может потерять свою жизнь.

До 30.04.2022 ZT: 
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30ap2022.htm
Мы упоминали в марте 2020 года, что Маск предстал перед Трибуналом за то, что позволил своим буровым машинам помогать тем, кто заинтересован в поклонении Молоху. Все за деньги — такова была его философия. Лицо Маска тогда выражало страх, и с тех пор изменилось. Маск не нужен для технического руководства SpaceX, поэтому его держали в Гуантанамо, пока он пытался выторговать себя, согласившись выполнять задания для Хунты. Его неправедно полученные средства были конфискованы, но поскольку общественность думает о нем как об очень богатом человеке, у него было достаточно денег, чтобы купить контрольный пакет акций Twitter, который теперь контролирует Хунта.