ZetaTalk Chat for August 31, 2017

[Nancy Lieder]

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Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 70 [73] years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek. To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

Bear in mind, during these chats, what you are asking of ourselves and Nancy. You have a resource here which you are regularly wasting and exhausting with idiotic questions! Nancy has warned that the time is quickly coming when you will get no response from her at all, just a statement as to which questions will be accepted. You have complained when she told you, in no uncertain terms, what was wrong with your demands or your questions. But those who do not learn are destined to be ignored, which is what is coming next.

[Poli]

Maybe an interesting question for the ZetaTalk-Chat?... what does this CC mean?
My first thought was - similar to Nibiru and its Moon Swirls, but presumably more?... or other meaned or not genuine?
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2017/monarch/monarch2017a.html

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted

Poli said:

Maybe an interesting question for the ZetaTalk-Chat?

What does this CC mean? My first thought was - similar to Nibiru and its Moon Swirls, but presumably more? Or other meaning? Or not genuine?
[and from another]
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2017/monarch/monarch2017a.html



SOZT
This very sloppy fraud is trying to emulate a drawing from the ZetaTalk website that was drawn by Nancy early in the ZetaTalk saga some 15 years ago.
http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s123.htm
Plagiarism has afflicted ZetaTalk from the early days, one book after another claiming they “saw” what ZetaTalk describes in a vision or had sudden insight due to their phenomena research and intelligence. ZetaTalk is never mentioned during this plagiarism.  If the words of Mark Hazelwood in 2003 or the words of David Meade in 2017 do not sway the public, perhaps a visual will, or so they hope.

This CC fraud has many clues that it was not made by the masters, the genuine circle makers who bend grain at the node with a growth hormone ray. The grain is crushed sideways, not bent at the nodes. It is smashed in this or that direction, not woven. Without a firm center to guide the vehicle drawing the outer and inner circles, these are not even! The pathway to and from this monstrosity is crooked, unlike the master circle makers who can place parts of a design at a distance with accuracy, from their ships. Nor is the attempt to show a retrograde orbit in the Nibiru object carried through to the tail.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

I can't find where the Zetas predicted that Merkel would lose power. I find where I, Nancy, speculated that in a March 27, 2016 newsletter

http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue495.htm

Germany’s Merkel has been accused of trying to placate Erdogan, by taking in refugees despite the risks of terrorists among them. Now there has been a backlash against Merkel, who lost in the last elections and may ultimately lose her leadership position.

Declined questions as electrions are always so much in the hands of man, from the voters themselves, to turnout, to countering polls and media slant trying to influence voters - so much in the hands of man. I could only find this ZetaTalk re Merkel:

http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/01oc2016.htm

Has Germany built secret bunkers to survive the passage of Nibiru?

http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/27ag2016.htm

What is Germany anticipating, that they are about to instruct their citizens to have enough food and water to sustain themselves for 10 days..

Torsten Greifenstein said:

Will Angela Merkel remain as chancellor?

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted via email:

The police very obviously stood down in the Charlottesville rally and allowed the Antifa, BLM counter-protest direct access to the Unite-the-Right etc. with predictable results of violence and one death of a women and also two police officers died in a helicopter crash. Was this by design by Soro's group et al to fuel further civil unrest in the US now that the Russian narrative against Trump seems to have failed despite a well coordinated and long sustained effort? The rally itself seemed rather unusual with tiki torches, NAZI flags and apparent KKK members throwing heil salutes - things I don't think are generally seen in far or alt right rallies as most people would find such displays re-pungent and would probably not gain any traction to their cause or viewpoints. Were paid agents involved in ensuring the max chaos and publicity resulting for this event with the agenda to weaken Trump by connecting him to fascim or those sorts of groups?
[and from another]
https://fabiusmaximus.com/2017/08/15/facts-about-the-charlottesvill...
Where are the police?” shouted a man shortly before noon. We still don’t know the answer. Officials refuse to answer.
[and from another]
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/mcauliffe-aided-wife-o...
Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe is a longtime Clinton ally, prolific Democratic fundraiser, and former Clinton Foundation board member, the subject of a federal investigation into his campaign contributions.
[and from another]
https://www.propublica.org/article/police-stood-by-as-mayhem-mounte...
Standing nearby, an assortment of Virginia State Police troopers and Charlottesville police wearing protective gear watched silently from behind an array of metal barricades — and did nothing. It was a scene that played out over and over in Charlottesville as law enforcement confronted the largest public gathering of white supremacists in decades. We walked the streets beginning in the early morning hours and repeatedly witnessed instances in which authorities took a largely laissez faire approach, allowing white supremacists and counter-protesters to physically battle. The Daily Stormer, a popular neo-Nazi website, encouraged rally attendees to bring shields, pepper spray, and fascist flags and flagpoles. A prominent racist podcast told its listeners to come carrying guns. At a brief press conference this evening, Virginia officials declined to answer questions about the police response, but said they were not taken surprise by the violence or the number of protesters. “This could have been a much worse day,” said Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, “We planned for a long time for today’s incidents.”
[and from another]
https://needtoknow.news/2017/08/mainstream-media-ignores-violence-a...
Unite the Right was herded by police into a small area surrounded by Antifa which hurled balloons at them filled with urine, feces, and paint, shouting “Kill Nazis!”  Antifa also used pepper spray and Mace on the demonstrators. Police said that they had been ordered by the mayor to do nothing to interfere. Eventually, the National Guard appeared on the scene, and a state of emergency was called. In other words, George Soros and the Deep State have one thing in common. They both want race war. Could all this be political theater to move America deeper into totalitarianism?



SOZT
The Charlottesville rallies were clearly planned, staged, orchestrated, and played out on the hope that Trump would finally get a fatal wound. Virginia Governor McAuliffle was a staunch Hillary supporter, on the board of her criminal Clinton Foundation in the past, and like many expected to be rewarded when she gained the White House. This crowd has not lost hope. NAZI and KKK were there by invitation, assured that the police would be ordered to stand down. Antifa and BLM were told the same! McAuliffle all but threw gasoline on the flames, but will face no charges or questions in Virginia.

Despite all the hype in the media about Trump and his staff colluding with the Russians, no evidence whatsoever has emerged. Instead, the crimes of Hillary and the DNC’s Debby and DOJ’s Lynch are gradually moving to center stage. What did the Charlottesville handlers hope to achieve? They hoped to start a race war in the US, such that Trump would face impeachment by association. Bannon, still on his staff, was a liability. Trump lingers too long with those who had been loyal to him, but Trump’s Junta will force him to cut ties.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted via email:

Was this a Freudian Slip? Two speakers misspoke, saying the Eclipse on October 20, then corrected themselves.
[and from another]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFMPkIs8Gb4

SOZT
This is not NASA or any official government agency speaking. They have heard discussion about the path on August 21 not being correct, but more akin to the path that might be expected on October 20. The Northern Hemisphere normally tilts away from the Sun as the Fall progresses, with the Sun dropping lower on the southern horizon as Winter approaches. With the daily Earth wobble, the magnetic N Pole gets a push away when the Sun is high over the Pacific. This is when the magnetic N Pole, now over Siberia, looms up over the horizon. Thus for the East Coast of the US, the globe may get a push skewing the path at this time. The path may run lower, and this occur for much of the US as well. These individuals on the video did not get an explanation for this rumor, nor confirmation or denial, so are in a knot about it.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

During yesterday's interview with Open Your Mind:

During the interview with Open Your Mind, Nancy was asked about James Gilliland from the ETECI Ranch in the US where people were supposedly shown ships, using infrared glasses, rising up and back down in the distance. This would usual be demonstrated around 10:00 pm. US military folks have reportedly said they are “not theirs”. This is similar to Greer’s claims that he can call up ships. Nancy states these are drones, and this is a fraud.
[and from another]
http://www.eceti.org/Eceti.James.html
James Gilliland is a minister, counselor, an internationally known lecturer, best selling author with the books, Reunion with Source, Becoming Gods, and The Ultimate Soul Journey. James appeared in Contact Has Begun, His Story, The History Channel, UFOs then and Now, UFO Hotspots, ABC, Fox News, BBC Danny Dyer Special, Paranormal State, ECETI Ranch a Documentary, and the new movie Thrive have all featured James and ECETI which he is the founder. He has appeared on Coast to Coast, Jeff Rense, and to numerous other radio shows.
[and from another]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYYd52fo6Rc

SOZT
As Nancy said, it’s fraud. Many people get a lot of fame and fortune and a lot of money from being able to influence people and lead them like a Pied Piper, so if they tell you that a glowing ship that is perceived on the horizon is something they were able to invoke as a human, they are lying to you. What exactly is the proof? People were standing and looking at the horizon or over the hill? They saw something rise up, they saw something go down. How easy is that? A child could do that.
EOZT

Prior ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/16jy2011.htm
Despite commercial attempt by the fraud James Gilliland to capitalize on these genuine UFO displays, the mystique of Mt. Adams continues to attract local residents and tourists alike, thus the subconscious of many is receiving the warning.

Prior 2008 ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/16jy2011.htm
What makes you assume this individual is highly Service-to-Other? Because he says so? Examine the characteristics of a highly Service-to-Other individual we have detailed in the Orientation section of ZetaTalk, and think again.

[Nancy Lieder]

During yesterday's interview with Open Your Mind:

During the Open Your Mind interview, this issues was raised. Is there anyone else who relays the words of the Zetas? Lysa Royal has been identified as a channel. Is Nancy the only person with a brain implant to facilitate telepathic communication with the Zetas? Is it possible that hundreds or hundreds of thousands of people have been implanted with DNA and may wake up and have the information that you, Nancy, are privy to? Will they ever show themselves, like the Disclosure Project. If 89% of us have to wake up in order to save humanity, like Fatima. Fatima woke up Ireland.  If the Zetas were able to show themselves, would this not fast track humanity?
[and from another]
http://www.lyssaroyal.net/-home.html

SOZT
The question was, have we inserted our DNA into the telepathy center of more humans and the answer is yes. But they have not become the communicators that Nancy is. Nancy has been a phenomenal success. She is highly organized, very intelligent, has a mechanical German mind, and we have had to backfill from other teams in order to make sure that she is safe and her communication routes are clear channels. The other people we have implanted DNA, not in the hundreds, but perhaps in the dozens, are working in endeavors that will help all of mankind in the future. We would not reveal them.  

Is it possible there will be a type of Disclosure Project with people suddenly rising up and saying “I believe”. Well, of course a type of disclosure is being carried out all the time. In 2008 Nancy was asked how many people are contactees – 12 thousand at that time. In 2016, 3.5 billion and rising, so more than half the populace of Earth, the humans on Earth, are already contactees, chatting away with aliens. They are aware of Nibiru. They are aware of alien presence. They are aware that they have been lied to. And all this does, really, in the sociology that is going on today, this means that your governments, your media, is not being believed. They know they are being lied to, and they are turning them off or turning to the Internet or meeting at night in group meetings with contactees for their truth.

So this is a type of Disclosure Project. Thus, when more and more aliens are seen, dashing through the woods or walking along the road, or after the Pole Shift when so many people have had their world upside down, literally, they will accept gifts from aliens walking up with gifts. We talked about a Perpetual Power battery. This is one. Where “Oh no, electricity” - never mind. Plug into this thing and it will never go dead. This is only for very good hearted groups, not to be misused by bullies or those with nefarious purposes.

But this is an example. Food, etc, Yes, good hearted survival camps can anticipate help, protection, guidance, and a lot of interaction with aliens from other worlds. We mostly have hominoids approaching people, because there is less of a shock. Hominoids is less than 10% of the way the evolution of intelligent species has operated throughout the Universe. So, if it’s going to look like a giant amoeba, or a big bug, you won’t get that on day one.  That will come later. But aliens, intelligent aliens of good heart, of good purpose, come in all shapes and sizes.
EOZT

[Willa Rawlings]

Over the last few months, there has been a rise in Flat Earth-related memes and articles throughout Facebook, the Internet, etc.  Can the Zetas speak to this seeming resurgence of Flat Earth believers? 

The following article [as it relates to the recent Eclipse] was found on the website of

 

http://anonymous-news.com/flat-earth-believers-say-solar-eclipse-pr...

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted

Willa Rawlings said:

Over the last few months, there has been a rise in Flat Earth-related memes and articles throughout Facebook, the Internet, etc.

Can the Zetas speak to this seeming resurgence of Flat Earth believers?
[and from another]
http://anonymous-news.com/flat-earth-believers-say-solar-eclipse-pr...
Flat Earthers question that if the Earth is rotating from west to east, the shadow cast by the Moon should pass across Earth’s surface from east to west, just as the Sun moves across the sky.
[and from another]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon
When viewed from the north celestial pole, i.e. from the approximate direction of the star Polaris, the Moon orbits Earth anticlockwise and Earth orbits the Sun anticlockwise, and the Moon and Earth rotate on their own axes anticlockwise.




SOZT
It would seem to be illogical that the Eclipse was first viewed on the West Coast and then moved to the East Coast, when the East Coast would be the first to encounter the Moon on that day. The Eclipse took place in just over 2 minutes, when it takes 24 hours for the Earth to rotate and 28 days for the Moon to orbit the Earth. Both are moving from West to east. So what happened that the Eclipse did a flash dance in just over 2 minutes? The answer lies in the tilt of the Moon’s orbit vs a vs the tilt of the Earth.

Any given point on the Northern Hemisphere is not parallel to the Ecliptic, the Sun’s middle where her planets slings out in a ring. At dawn, the Ecliptic slants lower left to upper right, and at dusk, from upper left to lower right. The tilt during the day is not insignificant. Though the Moon orbits the Earth at a tilt, during the New Moon, which was present on August 21, it is positioned on the Ecliptic. This can be seen by Skymap images, wherein the Moon is directly on the Ecliptic and virtually on top of the Sun the entire day, though only when the Moon is in line with the Sun is the Eclipse apparent.

The Sun is static but setting ever so slowly in the WEST. The Moon is static but moving ever so slowly to the EAST, its direction of orbit. What can be seen on the Skymap images in the view from Portland, Oregon is that the Moon is on the right of the Sun at 7:00 am but on the left of the Sun by 6:00 pm. But what is moving during those 2 minutes is the view from Earth where the overlay by the Moon is complete. The tilt of the Earth, which is not insignificant, has placed the view where the overlay is complete in different locations.
EOZT

[Shaun Kazuck]

Hello:

Would the Zetas care to comment on the massive hurricane Harvey?  It was such a weak hurricane just a day before making landfall and suddenly intensified to become the worst storm to hit Texas in almost 60 years. FEMA says it will be there for years and that this is unlike any storm in memory.  The storm path seems to show the wobble with the storm meandering up the coast and going backwards even.  

Was this another message for humanity as we may lose much of our oil infrastructure?  Are these the types of storms that were forecast to inundate the coasts as the shift approaches?  

Thanks!

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted

Shaun Kazuck said:

Would the Zetas care to comment on the massive hurricane Harvey?

It was such a weak hurricane just a day before making landfall and suddenly intensified to become the worst storm to hit Texas in almost 60 years. FEMA says it will be there for years and that this is unlike any storm in memory.  The storm path seems to show the wobble with the storm meandering up the coast and going backwards even.  Was this another message for humanity as we may lose much of our oil infrastructure?  Are these the types of storms that were forecast to inundate the coasts as the shift approaches?  
[and from another]
https://apnews.com/1be70a05bd0848c9aba361ab509d0fce/Rescuers-pluck-...
Before the storm that arrived Friday as a Category 4 hurricane is gone, some parts of Houston and its suburbs could get as much as 50 inches (1.3 meters) of rain. That would be the highest amount ever recorded in Texas. Conflicting advice given by the governor and Houston leaders before the hurricane -  Gov. Greg Abbott urged people to flee from Harvey’s path, but the Houston mayor issued no evacuation orders and told everyone to stay home citing the risks of sending the city’s 2.3 million inhabitants onto the highways at the same time.
[and from another]
https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/tropical-storm-hurricane-...
Periods of torrential rain will continue over parts of Texas the next several days with more flooding likely. Tropical Storm Harvey has stalled over southeast Texas where extreme rainfall has occurred in the Houston metro area, leading to record-breaking, catastrophic flooding.
[and from another]
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/hurricane-harvey-texas.html?m...
Hurricane Harvey, powered by the Gulf of Mexico’s warm waters, made landfall as a Category 4 hurricane at about 9:45 p.m. Friday, earlier than expected.
[and from another]
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/us/hurricane-harvey/index.html
The combination of wind and water could leave wide swaths of South Texas "uninhabitable for weeks or months.
[and from another]
https://weather.com/storms/hurricane-central/harvey-2017/AL092017
[and from another]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4828968/Thousands-trapped-r...
FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, revealed it would take the area years to recover from the storm which is the worst this decade. Houston, the nation's fourth largest city, was told by its mayor not to evacuate and thousands were forced to seek higher ground due to the rising waters. Several hospitals in the Houston area were evacuated due to the rising waters.





SOZT
Harvey enters the Caribbean as a Tropical Storm, drops to a Tropical Depression, then returns to build wind speed into a Category 4 hurricane prior to landfall. Why did it weaken and then return to be a Category 4 hurricane? The cone of a hurricane is normally an even curve. But Harvey weaves back and forth like a snake, then REVERSES direction, pulling away from the coastline before returning to slam Houston. Houston was not originally in its path, thus the Mayor’s wrong call on evacuations.

The factors that affect the force of a hurricane are usually consistent, not wavering, which shows the effect of the Earth wobble on both water and air masses. The Gulf deals with both the Polar Push forcing water and air away from Texas, and then the bounce back or the swing to the right and left relieving or increasing pressure. We warned in 2006 that there would be coastlines that would become virtually uninhabitable, due to the Earth wobble induced assaults. After hurricane Katrina and now Harvey, it is becoming obvious that the Gulf states are among those locations.  
EOZT

Prior 2006 ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta315.htm
We have predicted that coastlines will become uninhabitable, in many places, so that crops are grown but man sleeps restless there. The degree of assault on coastlines that will occur as the Earth wobble increases is hardly imagined.

[Chris]

Hello Nancy. Any comment or backstory to this? It really seems like a terrible idea.

https://www.rt.com/usa/401164-trump-police-military-weapons/

US President Donald Trump is reportedly preparing to undo Barack Obama’s order and lift a ban on arming local US police with war-fighting equipment, including grenade launchers and heavy armored vehicles.
The ban was imposed in 2015 following violent unrest in Ferguson, Missouri.

Documents seen by USA Today and the Associated Press (AP) say Trump is planning to reverse Barack Obama’s executive order banning local police agencies from receiving militarized gear and equipment.