Allright. Here's the concept. The position of the Earth with respect to whether Earth is stopped in it's orbit should be easy to determine. Consider the following:
1) dig a hole in your yard deep enough to be below the frost line, place a metal pipe in the hole and cement it in place.
2) permanently attach a space type telescope to the pole
3) at exactly a specific time at night, (example midnight) align the crosshairs of the scope on a star in a constellation, with the proviso that the constellation is in the plane of the ecliptic
4) tighten the devices on the scope on the scope that attach the scope to the pole
5) check the alignment of the crosshairs each night at exactly the same time (example: midnight)
6) it seems by math to me that if the Earth is travelling in its orbit around the sun, then the following must occur
7) the crosshairs will slowly move away from the star chosen
I wish someone would do this and hook it up to a webcam. We could all check it and see if the crosshairs stay on target.
8) I realize with the "wobble" there may be some variability, but with the Earth progressing in an orbit, the "drift" of the crosshairs will be unmistakeable, large, and consistent. There.....end of the orbit debate. Please someone take this challenge on.... let's see the results. Thanks
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............... Reply by PG............. The concept is to look at a star far away from Earth at the same time each night. The phrase "same time" means for this discussion, at the same point of the Earth on the Earth's rotation about its own axis. If there is an orbiting earth, then it will move through its orbit around the sun of (given a 365 day interval for the orbit) a value of 1 divided by 365 in a 24 hour period (1/365 = 0.002739). To obtain when 12 midnight occurs each night, it is sufficient to simply purchase a quartz crystal controlled battery operated clock from Wal Mart or Target. Set the clock for 12 midnight the first time you see the star and set the crosshairs. Simply look for the star each night at 12 midnight as determined by this clock. If there is an orbiting earth, then the star should cross the crosshairs a little sooner than 12 midnight each night. The interval is determined by taking the number of minutes in a 24 hour interval (1440) and multiplying this times 0.002739. The value for this follows: 1440 x 0.002739 = 3.9 minutes It is my estimation that if the earth is orbiting the sun, then the star will show up on the crosshairs 3.9 minutes earlier each night. As you can see, a difference of 3-4 minutes from the timing clock makes little difference over time because the "drift" of the star away from the crosshairs (providing the Earth is in a 365 day orbit) is progressive... it's not 3.9 minutes sooner on some days, and 3.9 minutes later on other days in a random pattern, instead it follows a pattern where the drift is always sooner, for each and every day, relentlessly. For example, after 30 days, the value for how much sooner the star will be transiting the crosshairs is calculated as follows: (30 days times an earlier arrival of 4 minutes per day = 30 x 4 = 120). This means that in just 30 days of observing the star will transit the crosshairs about 120 minutes earlier than the originally chosen time of midnight. Unless my math is wrong, this is such a big change in such a relatively short observation interval, that its either true or it isn't. This is why I wish someone would hook up a webcamera to a fixed telescope and lets all see what happens. pgI am not an astronomer, but this sort of observation in 3) would give you what is called sidereal time.
Sidereal time differs slightly, about 4 minutes, from a solar day (loosely speaking what our clocks measure) so "at a specific time of night" implies you are measuring the interval using time based on our solar day, which would always be out by approx 4 minutes with respect to sidereal time, so the recticule would always drift.
It might be possible to compare measured solar time vs. measured sidereal time though.
close your eyes. all main stars and planets have a corresponding organ/place in your body.
there are 108 main places to check.
tis easier when you dont think.
try it. you will know.bless you
I am working on a better way to check star movements, wobble, and the earth tilting North. It shows that the Z's are right. I will have this up in a day or so.
...reply from P Gray..... I am desperately attempting to figure out how to place a reply....sheeeeesssh this site is complicated..Regarding #7, why do you wish someone else would do it? Can't you do it yourself?
#8 - Not sure how this experiment would affect the "debate". Zetas have explained the "element of doubt," which would account for an appearance of Earth traveling in orbit naturally.
Are you trying to raise confusion here? That is antithetical to this Ning's stated purpose.
OK as promised. The star map I drew is not to scale. But if you look at the North Star and the Big Dipper together, you can see that the earth has moved both up and to the right. The dipper actually tilts a little better then I drew. Now normaly the dippers last two stars of the cup piont towards and above Polaris. But during the winter months it was pointing straight Polaris. To me that shows the wobble. So there is no need for fancy dancy equiptment. Just watch the dipper in relationship to the North Star!
Regarding #7, why do you wish someone else would do it? Can't you do it yourself?
#8 - Not sure how this experiment would affect the "debate". Zetas have explained the "element of doubt," which would account for an appearance of Earth traveling in orbit naturally.
Are you trying to raise confusion here? That is antithetical to this Ning's stated purpose.
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