Sorted Out; from ZetaTalk

[Kojima]

For my understanding I made a chart from "ZetaTalk: Sorted Out" shown below.

ZetaTalk: Sorted Out

http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x40.htm

Note: added during the May 3, 2003 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.

Life in a hybrid community would not be something desired in any but a highly Service-to-Other individual. We have stated that polarization will be natural, after the shift, with those undecided leaving highly Service-to-Other communities, for these same reasons. Those highly Service-to-Self naturally leave a group highly Service-to-Other when they cannot dominate or control them, as the incessant attention to others, to the well-being of others annoys them. In human society today, normal for 3rd Density existence where the orientation decision is the prime lesson to be determined, Service-to-Self can dominate others. They migrate to where this domination has the least resistance, among the weak, the young, etc. If in a situation where they cannot rule, dominate, they move on seeking a better setting. Thus, a man who smacks his wife and children about when they displease him, his endless demands for immediate satisfaction of his wants and needs, leaves this family if he comes under community surveillance or policing. He lines up a new wife, in another community, and starts this practice again.

In the Aftertime, he will find these new communities so highly full of Service-to-Self that he will have competition, and be likely to be the one abused himself. When he leaves and tries to insert himself into a Service-to-Other community, he will be rebuffed and sent elsewhere or will have to abide by rules that frustrate him in the extreme, so he leaves. If he finds an undecided community, he will try to reinstate what he recalls from his 3rd Density mixed past. Now, increasingly, the Service-to-Other will separate from the undecided, and certainly separate from the Service-to-Self. They will, in essence, disappear! They will thus leave the undecided to fend for themselves with the Service-to-Self, so the balance of Service-to-Self will increase, and the undecided then leaving this setting, slipping away, endlessly. Thus, the Aftertime setting will be

1. disappearing Service-to-Other's,
2. undecideds slipping away to form their own groups,
3. Service-to-Self left with themselves only!

Now, the undecideds will find their life much as it is today, in human society, regarding rules and societal expectations. The Service-to-Self will find life unlike what they recall, as they will be the picked upon where they expect to be the dominant person, but this is experience in preparation for their next lifetimes, so just as well. And the Service-to-Other will find they are meeting new neighbors, the hybrids and other visitors from elsewhere.

What is life like, in these hybrid communities, that Service-to-Other desire this and others do not? We have mentioned this already within the body of ZetaTalk, but will list the highlights again. There are no secrets! Telepathic knowledge of the others, their needs, their desires, their thoughts, is utter and open. This means that you are aware of anothers needs, and can respond, but this also means that unlike human society today, others are aware of your resentments, your jealousies, and those thoughts you might like to keep secret. There is a sharing of resources, and workloads, so that what needs to be done is addressed, rather than what someone might have planned for their day. This means that your personal agenda, your mission where you will be the star and can feel accomplished, might not be what is considered important! Perhaps you planned to continue writing your book, but must put this aside to harvest fish. An adjunct to this is that taking credit, getting your name in lights, is not considered a necessary part of the action. Your contribution may be behind the scenes, to help someone else achieve, as they are more suited to being the spokes person than you! Where in human society today this is a big issue, in Service-to-Other society it is a point of satisfaction to help others, the credit and the stage not being the big issue.

Thus, those undecided and especially those highly Service-to-Self find this all stuffy and dull and frustrating, and leave on their own accord!

[Kojima]

* ZetaTalk for Born wealthy

ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for October 30, 2010

https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30oc2010.htm

http://www.zetatalk12.com/ning/30oc2010.htm

Why are there places like North Korea and situations left extremely in the dark, like the puppet master's existence, as this planet is currently purging the service to self I would think that we would see a larger example of good in the times that we are in now. Evil makes itself so known, everyone knows what evil things are, but I find that good things can almost be disguised and are so very oppressed in major media. I feel so bad for people who are easily influenced by crap, like fox, and others. Do the zetas see someone in major media sticking their neck out and getting it chopped off to show the hand of the elite coverup? Also how is it that one soul can be offered an incarnation with such extreme power, like the puppet master. I understand that when a soul is ripe for a decision to advance there must be a final situation which solidifies the soul, but does it have to affect 500 million people? If so then that would say that him and the elite and people in politics or that have larger opportunities are the only souls ripe for the harvest.

Humans hear the term Transformation, and hear that the Earth is bound to be a home for the good hearted - those in the Service-to-Other - in the future and those in the Service-to-Self banned from reincarnating here. They picture this process in terms that they, in their society, can imagine would be involved. The bad guys get eliminated and suppressed. The good guys get elevated. That's how mankind would arrange it, if they were in charge. How else does one manage a Transformation? But how often do your movies present a different picture. In Star Wars, a small band takes on the Empire, and wins against all odds. How is it that in battles between good and evil, the bad guys always seem to hold all the cards, while the good guys are outnumbered. It is in the nature of those in the Service-to-Self to attempt to accumulate assets, dominate others, and have influence over affairs. They thus are found in great numbers running corporations, rising in the ranks of the military, accumulating great wealthy through insider trading, and in general having a ruthless attitude toward others.

What must be understood is that during the Transformation, the Earth is still a schoolhouse, giving those souls incarnated an opportunity to make their choice to be either Service-to-Other of Service-to-Self. Each soul is guided by the Birthing Guides into their current incarnation based on their needs, to provide the environment needed for their current lesson. For every ruthless CEO rising to run a corporation, there are dozens who have this opportunity and choose a different path. The opportunities to do good or take the selfish path are no different than they have been over the ages. The Transformation occurs not because the situation is manipulated, with those leaning to the Service-to-Self born into poverty and ugly, stupid bodies and those leaning to the Service-to-Others given wealth and beauty. The polarization ongoing now is showing the different camps, which can be readily identified, but the interaction between the orientations is not that much different than it has been over the ages. Cruel dictators dominate, and heroes rise to challenge them.

Those impatient for the Transformation, wanting the good guys to be in charge and unfettered by threats from the elite to maintain the status quo, are astonished that anything but highly Service-to-Other souls would be incarnated into the families of those who are immensely wealthy. The money should be given to the needy, and used as a force to break the cover-up over the pending pole shift. Survival communities could be established, and flourish, and anyone wishing to migrate away from the coastlines given this opportunity. Such a vision is naïve. Do you imagine that a highly Service-to-Other child, due to inherit great wealth, would not find themselves in a situation where their wealth was managed by others? The child would be found incompetent, or maimed in some way to arrange this, or tricked out of the wealth at the first moment. The child would show their propensities early in life, be empathetic, and thus other arrangements made by the many who live like parasites off pools of great wealth.

It is thus that those at the top in such situations are either born highly Service-to-Self or undecided to a degree that they can play the game skillfully. Thus it is with the Puppet Master, who is savy and skillful at political games, a ruthless administrator in the management of the family trust, but who is not evil in intent. The current Puppet Master has not started wars, nor invented financial games such as insider trading or the creation of the housing bubble. It is the middle men of the world - those who lie between the common man and the very wealthy - who take such steps in their greed and ambition for power. Bush and Cheney started the Iraq War on a lie. Wall Street created the housing bubble whereby so much wealth was diverted illegally to money managers. Look to the lives of these middle men, those who rise in political power or enter professions where such rip-off games can be played, and you will not find those who have been born wealthy. You will find those who have been born with Service-to-Self souls.

[Kojima]

* ZetaTalk for STO behavior

ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for April 16, 2011

https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/16ap2011.htm

Although the Zetas have made many statements about the orientations (http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o00.htm), people continue to manipulate or twist the Zetas' message regarding what it actually means to be solidly service to other ("STO"). For example, the Zetas have been criticized for being "harsh" in some of their answers. (Just because a being is not always nice and kind when addressing the less-than-stellar behavior of others that somehow indicates a being is not solidly or highly STO?) Such claims have also been made against Nancy Lieder, that she simply could not be STO or she would not have done or said X, Y or Z. Any clarification or further comment on this topic?

We have endlessly iterated that orientation should be judged by action, not words or a superficial veneer. Those in the Service-to-Self clothe their actions in lofty ideals, such as the invasion of Iraq by the Bush family supposedly to bring the Iraqi people to democracy when the goal was greed and control over the oil fields. All those lofty words, pure lies. Those in the Service-to-Other have little use for lies and seldom employ them. Thus one often finds the veneer of these two orientations on opposite ends, with the Service-to-Other individual perhaps emitting biting words while the Service-to-Self individual drips syrup from their mouth.

For example, if rescuing drowning passengers from a ferry that capsized, the Service-to-Other individual might be barking orders and demands while in the water, grabbing at as many hands as possible before the passengers go under for the last time. My, my, such language! But what is their intent? They are looking for others to be teammates in the rescue, and not being polite when those others stand around stunned instead of helping. Meanwhile, the Service-to-Self person is avoiding the water, skirting around the edges tucking blankets around those who have been rescued, all the while trying to look busy! Polite words, head down so they don't get drawn into the dangerous rescue work in the water.

Why are those pointing fingers and insisting that Nancy and others be polite above all else suspect? This is a ploy, used by those leaning to the Service-to-Self, to manipulate service from others. If their motives are called out, they point the finger and throw out the accusation that anyone questioning their motives is not being Service-to-Other, as blunt talk could surely not come from one who is Service-to-Other. Oh? Why so? Those in the Service-to-Other are in fact most likely to utilize blunt talk! They have no use for a polite veneer, where those in the Service-to-Self use this ploy often.

[Kojima]

* ZetaTalk for Polarization increase

ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for September 22, 2012

https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/22sp2012.htm

I want to ask about the worrying rise of far right elements and ideologies in Europe, especially in countries with serious financial problems like Greece and Hungary but also in countries like Germany. I know there is a heavy polarization happening between people as we approach the pole shift but is there more to this turn of events than this? Is it maybe a ploy of the elite of Europe to invoke martial law that will put fascist regimes in power in as many European countries as possible, or maybe another tool in the hands of the STS Overlords that will allow them to make the conditions even worse on the European continent so they can reap a better harvest? How realistic is this danger?

Early in the ZetaTalk saga we described the spiritual polarization that would occur during the Transformation. It is the rise in Service-to-Other influences and actions that in essence panics those in the Service-to-Self who have been accustomed to rigid rules and class structure.  Those in the Service-to-Self have learned to lie with a smile, con others, and insert themselves into human society and the job market so they benefit the most at the expense of others. What disturbs them during the polarization period is that the rules and class structure are being replaced by cooperation among those more comfortable operating in the Service-to-Others orientation.

At first, their distress is expressed by angry demands that the rules be followed exactly, and in trying to argue logically for these rules that benefit those in the Service-to-Self. This can be seen in the Republican reluctance to have the tax breaks given to the super wealthy by Bush expire. No relationship to creating jobs and building the economy has even been shown, in fact statistically the opposite has been shown, but they attempt to argue this point. The desire for martial law, expressed likewise by those among the ultra-right, is another example. They wish their assets protected and their slaves, the workers, to be forced to their jobs. What will happen as their panic increases? Their demands will become more shrill but they will likewise increasingly be ignored. They will turn inward, seeking those of like mind behind closed doors, while they become irrelevant.

[Kojima]

* ZetaTalk for Separate by spiritual orientation

ZetaTalk: GodlikeProduction Live

written June 14, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta458.htm

I want very much to co-exist with other humans and aliens who are in the Service-to-Other. I also want to help my family during the hard times that are coming but they aren't as open minded as me and would not be ready to meet with aliens. My question is if there are people in my family that I don't get along with, would I be Service-to-Self if I didn't stay with them and went my own way during the pole shift?

This is a personal decision. There is a polarization of the orientations during this time, the time of the Transformation. This does not mean that those in need are necessarily abandoned, using polarization as an excuse. Many families, many marriages, many longstanding friendships will change because people will increasingly separate by spiritual orientation. This is happening today.

[Kojima]

* ZetaTalk for Spiritual schoolhouse

ZetaTalk: GodlikeProduction Live

written January 12, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta428.htm

The history of humans shows alien interaction, and yet aliens state that they can not interfere with humans on this planet. From technology to knowledge of languages, writing, mathematics, agriculture, and religions, they've certainly interfered. If aliens want to help us, why don't they just reveal themselves to the public? Why the deception and secrecy?

Does your teacher interfere with your high school exams by telling you the answers? You are in school to learn, and part of this learning process is to live with your mistakes, to learn the outcome of your mistakes. Earth is a spiritual schoolhouse, where you are to learn by your actions and migrate, spiritually, to either the Service-to-Other or Service-to-Self spiritual orientation. We have stated, endlessly, that we are not your parents! We are allowed to counsel you but not to interfere. We are not here to rescue you, but must allow you to make your own mistakes and take action as you see fit.

[Kojima]

ZetaTalk for Spiritual orientation of others

ZetaTalk: GodlikeProduction Live

written December 29, 2007 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta424.htm

A friend said that 90% of people suffer from some type of disturbance of neurosis, and 9% are balanced, but are subject to some change, and one% can be normal. Is this scientific fact, as we learn who is to be good or evil? Is mechanics of human conscience complex? As saberíamos who is Service to Others and Service to Self? Or the separation of evil and the good is automatic?

Highly Service-to-Other souls may be incarnated into humans who suffer from mental illness or have disease that affects their ability to express their concern for others. There are likewise highly Service-to-Self souls in such an incarnation, and their reaction to others around them may not look much different than the reaction of highly Service-to-Other souls incarnated in like circumstances. One cannot make assumptions based on physical disabilities. Likewise highly Service-to-Self souls may be incarnated into human bodies that are attractive, are raised in wealthy families that give them every advantage, and yet they do not concern themselves with others. A highly Service-to-Other soul in such a circumstance would maneuver to help others. Yet on the surface, they may appear similar to those who are highly Service-to-Self, as the Service-to-Self are adept at disguise. Thus, one should not assume, by surface physical appearance, the spiritual orientation of others. It is the actions that they are able to take that is the true criteria.

[Kojima]

* ZetaTalk for Concerned about the welfare of others

ZetaTalk: GodlikeProduction Live

written November 24, 2007 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta413.htm

I see that many people are worried about the economy in the world. Another with the good material. That's all fragrance. Do not add anything in life and especially in the evolution of the soul or spirit. When the Zetas speak specific issues, look which represents the anxiety and thoughts of many others do not understand nothing. Those who hear and understand, are people who can receive assistance from Zetas after the incident!

It is true that non-material people are more likely to be Service-to-Other, as they are concerned about the welfare of others and not concerned about their own personal welfare as much. Those who value material possessions over concern for others are more likely to be turning a deaf ear to others. This is not a hard and fast rule, of course. All souls have faults or weaknesses, even those who are highly Service-to-Other. If a soul experienced starvation in its past lives, it may be inclined to hoard food, but would not let this override concern if others were starving in its presence. If a soul were mistreated because it was incarnated into an ugly body in the past, it might be vain, concerned in the extreme with its appearance. Nevertheless, this vanity would not preoccupy it if others were in pain and needing attention. Thus, each case must be examined for its overall orientation. As an example, Bono is rich, but highly Service-to-Other in his actions!

[Kojima]

* ZetaTalk for STO actions

ZetaTalk: GodlikeProduction Live

written September 22, 2007 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta401.htm

As a long time follower of the show Survivor, I am always surprised how most individuals can not act as a tribe. Granted, there is monetary incentive but they must work together to get there. You have each one doing their own thing and most do not contribute to the group (Service-to-Self). You have a couple of people that try to take charge as leaders for the good of the group to get organized, but inevitably, they get despised and voted off. My question is how to become an Service-to-Other group after the shift? It will be very difficult because many will not contribute for the good of the group and a true Service-to-Other person will not want to give orders even though they know what needs to be done. Is it wrong to take charge for the good of the group?

There is much confusion about what constitutes Service-to-Other actions. People who are Service-to-Other are presumed to be rug rats, only serving the demands of others and never defending themselves, for instance. They are presumed to be unable to make a violent move against another. They have been depicted as serving tea and cookies, being all sweetness and light, and never cursing or being curt or blunt. All of this is nonsense! We have used Yoda from Star Wars as an example, as he was depicting a highly Service-to-Other entity. Yoda would get grumpy, push back and complain. He also put himself on the line. He was old and tired but rose to the occasion, putting his arthritis aside. He knew what was needed for the common good, and fought for it, pressed for it endlessly. He was a leader, and did not shy from his leadership position. Yet he was wise enough to know when to go into exile, to avoid his almost certain death, so he could emerge to help other Jedis develop in the future. 

We have frequently been asked how to identify Service-to-Self or Service-to-Other individuals from their behavior, and have pointed out some clues such as requiring action from them. The Service-to-Self individual will procrastinate and avoid unpleasant tasks that are screaming to be done, where the Service-to-Other individual will do what needs to be done without being asked. Survival groups can be composed almost entirely of Service-to-Self individuals making demands on each other, or almost entirely of Service-to-Other individuals all scrambling to do the necessary tasks, or may range anywhere in between. In the main, they will be the undecideds, who will lean primarily in the direction of Service-to-Other but need to be encouraged to keep leaning that way. We have suggested letting the undecideds take up tasks where the pain and suffering of others is obvious, as there will be less argument then. One should analyze the group on any given Survivor show from the standpoint of a variety of possible mixes. Primarily, one should realize that those who get on the show are probably self promoters, and thus hardly leaning toward Service-to-Other.

[Kojima]

* ZetaTalk for Testing another’s orientation

ZetaTalk: GodlikeProduction Live

written March 29, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta444.htm

Can the zetas briefly discuss how one knows if they are truly Service-to-Other? Most people would like to believe that they are but the capacity for self delusion is very high.

Nancy is endlessly asked this question by those who would like to hope they will have a better future during and after the pole shift. In general, those who are highly Service-to-Other do not bother to think about this, as they are too busy being of service to the general welfare. Their focus is not on themselves - it is elsewhere. Others may point out to them that they hardly take time out for themselves, but this is not a comment they would make about themselves. Those who are Service-to-Self will often posture as Service-to-Other for the benefits this brings to them. They make a grand gesture of giving to some charity and make sure everyone knows about it, thereafter going for something of a free ride among those who honor such generosity. They in the main mouth the right words, not followed by action. But when put to the test where they might have to suffer a bit so others can benefit, they draw the line and refuse.

In fact, testing another's orientation by asking for action is a sure test, one we have long recommended. You can also apply this to yourself. If you have turkey for Thanksgiving and know of others who will be eating a scarce meal, do you package up your turkey and take it to share with those less fortunate? Do you find such a gesture comes naturally to you, or is there resentment? Service-to-Other means being 50/50, where 50% of the time you think of others, and all Service-to-Other beings have some self focused aspects. In general, those who wonder are undecided, the Service-to-Others not bothering to waste time thinking about it, and the Service-to-Self knowing themselves and that any kind hearted gesture is an act on their part.

[Kojima]

* ZetaTalk for STS/STO

ZetaTalk: GodlikeProduction Live

written Jun 2, 2007 on the live GodlikeProduction live chat.

https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta376.htm

I am confused of your STO STS description. It seems to insinuate that "you better be STO or youll go to hell" ;). And you say that "STO would feel like they're in hell in a STS environment and vice versa". You spoke that the lesson of 3d density is to choose form of learning, STO or STS. I view the world as Me. Everything is Me. The whole world is My Body. This seems quite STS. Whatever I do is of service to myself. On the other hand this I'm not very self-destructive as I do not run around and kill, molest and destroy the environment in any active way, actually my goal is to fill the world with beauty, joy, freedom and lovely environments and further it is my impression that STO people hold such ideas dear and the STS too, but the latter ones deny/restrict/repulse/avoid it in certain ways (like using only their thoughts and not listening to their hearts(feeling) or maybe acting only from lower energy centers and therefore seemingly appear very selfish, brute and primitive. Now STO people do stuff to help others (at least 50% of the time) and STS to help themselves (most of the time). What I'm trying to say is the whole STO/STS bussiness seems like yet another "religion" or belief system and this particular one seems to convey disunity/separation which is another name for destruction, of course destruction is not always bad. Isn't the whole orientation stuff pretty useless as all souls gradually evolve to become STO sooner or later? And also people get bored from experiencing the same thing over and over again, which implies people will change from STO to STS and vice versa many many times forever, it seems quite obvious to me.

We would suggest you read, fully, what has been written and posted in the Orientation section of ZetaTalk. There are case descriptions, which should help. Many highly selfish people clothe themselves in sweetness and light, while manipulating events to their liking. As anyone watching Bush talk about his intentions, mouthing 'democracy' re Iraq while invading them for their oil, this is nothing new! Many highly Service-to-Other orientated people are gruff, as they are busy with heavy responsibilities, but their irritated demeanor does not mean they are selfish! It is the ultimate goal of the individual that is your clue.