ZetaTalk Chat for November 30, 2024

[Nancy Lieder]

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3. The Zetas, as all visitors, are under rules on how they interact with humanity. They are not here to rescue you. They cannot divert Planet X just as today they do not prevent droughts or floods. The Earth is mankind’s schoolhouse whereby he learns to help his fellow man.
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Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 78 years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek. To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

[Nancy Lieder]

The Ecliptic does not come into play until the Last Weeks, when the second 270 Roll occurs. This appears to be cloudy on the bottom side due to Petrol Mass etc. 

SOZT

As Nibiru moves to position itself more centered in front of the Sun, there will be less sunlight reflected from its bottom side, thus the choped off appearance. 

EOZT

James of Idaho said:

What keeps me from sleeping is the image of the Nibiru capture where it is hidden below the southern edge and rises above the northern.   

[Nancy Lieder]

Seems weird; maybe the New Madrid?
[and from another]
FEMA Selects Oscoda Airport for Massive Emergency Hub
November 11, 2024
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/concerns-mount-as-fema-sel...
Many residents and Americans nationwide are asking why FEMA is stockpiling such a large amount of equipment in this rural area. What kind of “emergency situation” is the agency anticipating that would warrant over 300 trucks of supplies?

SOZT
What FEMA is anticipating by staging supplies at Oscoda, Michigan is a sudden ripping open of the Seaway. We have predicted that the Seaway will take a bypass from Lake Ontario to Lake Huron
https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31ma2022.htm
during the New Madrid Adjustment. Oscoda is at one end of the bypass and can expect trauma. Closing out the current Seaway past Detroit might mean flooding for lands bordering Lake Huron. When the new bypass opens up there would be sloshing as the water adjusts to its new path. The Canada province of Ontario will find the new bypass cutting through its lands and will suffer as a result.
EOZT

Prior 5/31/2022 ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/31ma2022.htm
The Seaway will rip open during the Pole Shift, such that it will become a wide bay, and to a lesser degree during the New Madrid adjustment. The path of this Seaway expansion will run along the rock strata that allowed the Seaway to form in the past. This rock strata border can be seen coming inland along the St. Lawrence River until it bridges over from Lake Ontario to Lake Huron. Toronto is spared, being below this path, as is Michigan. Wisconsin is protected from the Seaway split by the volcanic Midcontinent Rift.

Prior 6/30/2024 ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30ju2024.htm
The Mainland Portion deals with the loss of the SE Portion by skewing along and under the Seaway. As the Mainland Portion shifts to the SW, it will pull Chicago and the lower Great Lakes with it, thus eventually creating a bypass between Lake Ontario and Lake Huron. Michigan will tilt during this process, leaning its top part to the West.

Prior 6/30/2024 ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30ju2024.htm
We have detailed how the New Madrid Adjustment will alter the path of the Seaway, bypassing Lake Erie by going from Lake Ontario to Lake Huron. Meanwhile the top part of Michigan will lob to the West and Wisconsin will find its Green Bay expanding. 

[Nancy Lieder]

Can the zetas comments on Trumps cabinet picks and their Israel ties? Huckabbe’s comments about his support for Israel are disconcerting for peace in the middle east.   Patriots I believe did not vote for this. [and from another]

https://x.com/msaleemfareed/status/1856512142880481500?t=7dy8WMDCGl...

[and from another]

BREAKING: Mike Huckabee, Trump’s pick for Ambassador to Israel, claims that the modern state of Israel was "established by the hand of Almighty God," emphasizing: “God says those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.”
https://t.co/BeAKGPun33
https://x.com/PlanetReportHQ/status/1857212285913100533

 SOZT

President Trump is faced with a reluctant Bibi and the Zionists in charge of Israel, so the wars with Hamas and Hezbollah are never ending. Israel will not negotiate, as they want all of Palestine for Greater Israel, and are even making demands for the West Bank to become part of Israel. President Trump is hoping that Huckabee will placate the Zionists by finding a role for them beyond perpetual expansion. Huckabee is a scholar, and knows the Torah and Bible well, thus may find a common ground.  

EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

I'm wondering if this is another move that isn't what it seems, or one that the Junta was powerless to prevent.
[and from another]
https://x.com/LeslieAlava/status/1858455088219500700
[and from another]
Biden Authorizes Ukraine to use US Long-Range Missiles to Strike inside Russia
November 17, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-lo...
Biden's decision was spurred by the Russian decision to invite 10,000 North Korean soldiers into the fight against Ukraine in Kursk. It is unclear if Biden plans to approve the use of the missiles outside the Kursk region. Russian President Vladimir Putin has previously said the U.S.'s approval of such missile strikes would constitute an act of war. He has yet to react to Biden's announcement. The announcement came after Great Britain and France authorized Ukraine to launch SCALP/Storm Shadow missile strikes. Biden's announcement also came just hours after Russia concluded one of its largest missile and drone attacks in months, launching over 200 targeting Ukraine's power and energy infrastructure.
[and from another]
Zelensky Welcomes Reported Lifting of US Restrictions on Long-Range Weapons
November 17, 2024
https://www.rt.com/russia/607793-zelensky-atacms-missiles-russia/
Ukraine has already been using ATACMS and French-British SCALP-EG/Storm Shadow missiles to hit targets in Crimea and other four former Ukrainian regions that joined Russia after 2014. Multiple Western media outlets have said Kiev is expected to use the new capabilities in and around Russia’s Kursk Region, which was invaded by Ukraine in early August. Heavy fighting has been reported in the area as Russian troops engage in an offensive to push the Ukrainian forces back across the border.
[and from another]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_occupation_of_Kursk_Oblast
During the Russo-Ukrainian War and Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine captured and occupied parts of Russia's Kursk Oblast. It was the first time since World War II that Russian territory was occupied by a foreign military. Ukrainian forces captured several settlements, including the town of Sudzha. The occupation was an outcome of the Ukrainian incursion of the Kursk Oblast that began on 6 August 2024.

SOZT
The Kursk Oblast of Russia was invaded by Ukraine several months ago where fighting continues as Russia is being assisted by N Korean soldiers and weaponry and Ukraine is losing badly. Meanwhile, Russia lost no ground elsewhere in their battle with the Ukraine and Zelensky’s supporters in NATO feared a complete rout such that only Kiev would be left of the Ukraine. This will indeed be the outcome.

President Trump will get a ceasefire between Russia and Kiev soon, and all the historical criminal activity in Ukraine will stop. No more money laundering, organ harvesting, bio labs using captives, or child sex trafficking. The approval by Biden to use long-range US missiles is a limited approval, only for the Kursk Oblast. NATO has already supplied such missiles to Zelensky, but this has not turned the battles in Kursk to Zelensky’s favor. Biden’s move is only a face-saving gesture.
EOZT

[Shanyn Carey Gene Wolfe]

Nibiru captured Saturday 1:30pm Hedgesville,WV

[Nancy Lieder]

We now have the 'scare event' of war with Russia which may trigger ML. 
[and from another]
The U.S. Confirms Ukraine Fired Long-Range ATACMS into Russia for the 1st Time
November 19, 2024
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/19/nx-s1-5196228/ukraine-atacms-missile...
Ukraine fired a series of ATACMS missiles inside Russia, marking the first attack using the U.S.-made longer-range weapons in 1,000 days of war. Ukraine fired seven U.S.-made Army Tactical Missile System into Russia, striking a weapons depot near the town of Karachev, in Russia's Bryansk region, about 70 miles from Ukraine. The official said Russia shot down two of the missiles. Earlier Ukraine shot six ATACMS into Russia, and that Russian air defense systems destroyed five of the missiles mid-flight and damaged a sixth.
[and from another]
‘Mysterious’ Joe Biden Seems to ‘Wander Off’ into Amazon Rainforest in Viral Video
November 18, 2024
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/mysterious-joe-bi...
Outgoing US President Joe Biden's video, in which he seems to be wandering off into the Amazon forest, has gone viral on social media. The video was taken at the conclusion of Biden's press conference from a forest area in Manaus, Brazil, where he discussed his government's effort in clean energy infrastructure and conservation.
[and from another]
Trump Declaring National Emergency at Border would Not Lead to Militarization of Country
November 18, 2024
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-declaring-national-emergency-borde...
Trump confirmed via Truth Social a report that he is "prepared to declare a national emergency and will use military assets to reverse the Biden invasion through a mass deportation program." The military is to play a support role, providing logistics support to the U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

SOZT
Is there a nexus between Biden suddenly giving Zelensky permission to lob long-range missiles into Russian territory and Biden wandering off into the rainforest during a stopover in Brazil? Both issues occurred simultaneously and got international attention. We have often stated that the US is under Martial Law since 2015
https://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue496.htm
when Obama failed to disclose the presence of Nibiru. Martial Law takes many forms and can be as severe as tanks in the streets and internment camps or delimited such as covertly taking control of the civil government.

As we have repeatedly stated, the Biden in the White House is an actor under the control of the Junta. Thus both walking into the rainforest and allowing Zelensky to lob long-range missiles into Russian territory were Junta directives. The Junta anticipates the need to expand their Martial Law posture in the near future due to the possibility of the New Madrid Rupture creating a refugee crisis among US citizens at a time when the US will be deporting illegals. And the panic that might ensue with a Nibiru admission is a dominant concern.

If Biden were to be considered out of control, the brakes in place include having VP Harris take over but this would require a Biden admission or Congressional approval – both of which take time. Thus considered a National Emergency, the Junta could step in to ensure that the nuclear arsenal was under control and could step back from the pending nuclear war with Russia that Zelensky has started. In addition, President Elect Trump has already stated that deporting illegals is considered a National Emergency.
EOZT

[Shaun Kazuck]

Hello:

I was wondering if the Zetas had anything to add to this story.  Seems to be more creeping disclosure about the Moon's origins.

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/heat-radiating-huge-mass-under...

Thanks!

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted. They should read ZetaTalk it is already explained, (sigh). Zetas RIGHT again. 

Shaun Kazuck said:

Hello:

I was wondering if the Zetas had anything to add to this story.  Seems to be more creeping disclosure about the Moon's origins.

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/heat-radiating-huge-mass-under...

Thanks!

[Tracie Crespo]

Hi Nancy & Zeta's -  Manatat brought this post to the team's attention.  It's a FB post from Gaby Holliday via Alien Skies.  Would the Zeta's care to comment on what we are seeing here?  Is it the Moon, Dark Twin, Petrol Blob - or is it fake, or something else?  Thank you. 

"2024 - More images from Australia showing unidentified anomalies next to the moon. You can see that there is at least two objects in close proximity.

What do you think we are seeing here?

Ricardo Vic - Adelaide : Australia "

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1105083070976789&set=pcb.11...

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1105083050976791&set=pcb.11...

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1105084480976648&set=pcb.11...

[Nancy Lieder]

I was wondering if the Zetas had anything to add to this story. Seems to be more creeping disclosure about the Moon's origins.
[and from another]
Heat Is Radiating from a Huge Mass Under the Moon
November 22, 2024
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/heat-radiating-huge-mass-under...
In a groundbreaking revelation, scientists have identified a substantial heat-emitting granite mass beneath the Moon's surface, specifically near the Compton and Belkovich craters on its far side. This finding is significant because granite formation typically requires water and plate tectonics conditions absent on the Moon. Granite is a coarse-grained igneous rock predominantly composed of quartz, feldspar, and mica. On Earth, its formation is closely linked to the presence of water and the dynamic processes of plate tectonics. These conditions facilitate the melting of the Earth's crust, leading to the creation of large magma bodies that cool slowly beneath the surface, crystallizing into granite.

SOZT
We explained at the start of the ZetaTalk saga that the Earth was originally in the Asteroid Belt
https://www.zetatalk.com/science/s11.htm
but was thrown to her present orbit by a collision.
https://www.zetatalk.com/science/s07.htm
This collision gouged out a hole where the Pacific Ocean
https://www.zetatalk.com/science/s30.htm
now lies. The Earth is still trying to heal by crustal Plate Movements. Thus Pangea
https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta348.htm
is breaking apart.

But what of the object that caused Earth to fling into her present orbit? It traveled with the Earth, and having been trapped by the gravity of Earth, became the Earth's Moon. It carried with it some of the Magma from Earth where the collision drove it deep into the core of the Earth. Thus the traces of Granite which could not have been formed from the Moon's substance. Mystery solved, and dare we say Zetas RIGHT Again.
EOZT

Prior 7/15/1995 ZT Asteroid Belt:
https://www.zetatalk.com/science/s11.htm
The Earth, her waters scattered more readily than her bulk, wobbled out of orbit at the initial impact. Her wobble took her, eventually, into her present orbit, closer to the Sun. Here she has formed her present oval shape bit by bit, under the periodic visits of her larger brother, the 12th Planet, who gives her no peace. She is still attempting to fill in the gaping hole, the scar from that devastating impact, the gaping expanse between the Americas and the Pacific Rim - the broad Pacific Ocean.

Prior 7/15/1995 ZT Continental Drift:
https://www.zetatalk.com/science/s07.htm
The Earth was once in orbit farther from the Sun, and bore as life only cold creatures that lived in the dark waters on the scant vegetation that grew there. This planet, the pre-Earth, sustained a collision with the 12th Planet's entourage of many moons, and thus shattered drifted into a new orbit closer to the Sun. The larger piece became the Earth, with its waters pooling in the wound as a cosmetic, the motion of the Earth pulling the waters round, to give a smooth appearance. But this peace lasts only until the great one returns for its periodic visit, pulling at the lumpy Earth. The Earth, during each successive Pole Sift, has filled her wound.

Prior 8/15/1995 ZT Chance of Collision:
https://www.zetatalk.com/science/s30.htm
Most of the planets that were destroyed were tiny, like Mars or less, and quite vulnerable to destruction by a larger traveling body. They became caught in the gravitational web of the traveling monster, drawn in to become moons, or what we call travelers, and it was one such that struck the Earth early in her life, and gave her the wound that is now the deep Pacific Ocean.

Prior 1/6/2007 Pangea Cause ZT:
https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta348.htm
These petrochemicals are present in the tail of Planet X, having been gathered during the many passes through the Asteroid Belt in the past from planets that were pelted to pieces by the moons in the tail of Planet X. Earth herself was subject to just such an injury, thus the great hole in the Pacific, with all her land on one side of the globe.

[Nancy Lieder]

Tracie that's a Petrol Blob, big one, in front of the Moon. The viewer took these snaps when the Sun had come up already (per Skymap)so the sunlight coming from the SE shown on the Moon's top.. The wobble is hard at work so the Moon likely not 100% where expected. 

 

Tracie Crespo said:

Hi Nancy & Zeta's -  Manatat brought this post to the team's attention.  It's a FB post from Gaby Holliday via Alien Skies.  Would the Zeta's care to comment on what we are seeing here?  Is it the Moon, Dark Twin, Petrol Blob - or is it fake, or something else?  Thank you. 

[Nancy Lieder]

Why so much spinning Petrol lately?
[and from another]
Tennessee
https://x.com/ZT_Followers/status/1861075656966344837
Burning petrol mass over Spring Hill, Tennessee USA 11/17/2024
[and from another]
Mexico
https://x.com/ZT_Followers/status/1861065583963381888
Burning petrol mass over Mexico City USA 11/12/2024
[and from another]
West Virginia
https://x.com/ZT_Followers/status/1861063307957829884
Burning petrol mass over West Virginia USA 11/17/2024

[and from another]

Georgia

https://x.com/ZT_Followers/status/1861101394310070736

SOZT
The torque or spin of tornadoes is common, as is the swirl in a toilet bowl, but the Nibiru Complex has brought new spins into mankind’s skies. Spirals from a neon cloud, as happened in Norway in 2009,
[https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue164.htm]
were predicted by ourselves to be on the increase.
https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta552.htm
Now within days of each other a spinning Petrol Mass has been captured on film in Mexico, Tennessee, and West Virginia. We have explained that a Spin will develop when the spinning object is free to move and is dealing with attraction and repulsion
https://www.zetatalk.com/science/s86.htm
at the same time. It is attracted in one direction but when it reaches what is desired it is repulsed away.

The Petrol reaching Earth’s atmosphere is charged and thus has both electromagnetic attractants and repulsion characteristics. A negative charge will reach for a positive charge nearby but soon finds a crowd of electrons and/or magnetons developing and swings away. On a small scale this dance is a curiosity, but when a large charged Petrol mass begins spinning it can envelop the neighborhood and disrupt mankind’s infrastructure. This will be one more piece of evidence that Nibiru is nearby, and the common man deserves an explanation.
EOZT

Prior 12/12/2009 ZT:
https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta552.htm
Spirals were present in the skies, as signs in the skies, during prior pole shifts, yes. This is a matter we withheld up until now, because of our desire to surprise the establishment as much as possible, to hopefully shake the cover-up and allow admissions of the truth to blurt out. Just as with the frequency of fireballs, which at first were blamed on space junk or on a satellite crash and then on asteroids entering Earth's field, the establishment will cast around for explanations before simply falling silent on the matter. The time is coming when silence will be their only defense, so that the common man looks elsewhere for an explanation

Prior 1/15/1997 ZT:
https://www.zetatalk.com/science/s86.htm
Spin is a phenomenon that occurs regularly in nature and is frequently observed on Earth, from the large swirls that hurricanes form to the small tornadoes in the middle of water going down the drain. The fact that such a spin moves in different directions when it is above or below the equator gives evidence that spin is affected by factors outside of itself. The phenomenon of spin is observable when the object in motion is not constrained. Spin on the surface of the Earth reflects what is occurring in the core of the Earth. If the Earth were not rotating, its core moving to escape or pull toward other matter in the Solar System and beyond, then spin would be affected only by the various attractions or repulsion the spinning object itself has to its immediate neighborhood. All objects on the face of the Earth have these same influences from the core of the Earth, but this is not evident due to lack of fluidity or lack of motion. 
Spin is affected by factors outside of itself. The phenomenon of spin is observable when the object in motion is not constrained. Spin occurs faster when the spinning object is narrow as there are fewer factors to counter the spin. 

Prior 2001 ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/science/s123.htm
Where spin on the surface of a planet is dictated by the moving core of the planet, pulling or pushing on an object free to move on the surface, spin in space is dictated by whatever the spinning object is bound to. This is not explored by man, who strives to move directly in space and treats any spin in an object under their control as a problem to be corrected promptly, as in "the probe has developed a spin and is threatening to spin out of control". The reasons for the spin having developed in the first place is treated as an irrelevancy, and the only issue whether or not the probe is under control. This swirl, unique to man in any comets or planets it observes, is what caused the ancients to call the passing monster, red in the sky because of its illuminated red dust cloud, a dragon, lashing its tail, the swirl of moons.

Prior 7/24/2020 ZT: https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/24jy2010.htm
The Coriolis Effect creates a circle of air, lifting off from the Equator as the Earth turns, and then circling back into the void at the Equator again.