ZetaTalk Chat for June 30, 2019

[Nancy Lieder]

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Zeta Rules that Apply

1. No personal counseling is done.This rule has been in place since 1996. Questions should be of broad interest to the general public.
2. Correlation or resolution of ZetaTalk with the work of other channels or authors is not done unless they predict and have a prediction accuracy track record, as otherwise they are not a peer of ZetaTalk which does so. This rule has been in place since 2002. Just because another website or author makes a statement does not make that statement true, nor will the Zetas explain to you why their statements are not true, as then they are taking time out to address the issue.
3. The Zetas, as all visitors, are under rules on how they interact with humanity. They are not here to rescue you. They cannot divert Planet X just as today they do not prevent droughts or floods. The Earth is mankind’s schoolhouse whereby he learns to help his fellow man.
4. The date of the pole shift cannot be given, but the sequence of events can be given. [ Link ] Check the ning pinned discussions and blogs for such information as the 7 of 10, the last weeks, etc.

Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 78 years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek. To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

Bear in mind, during these chats, what you are asking of ourselves and Nancy. You have a resource here which you are regularly wasting and exhausting with idiotic questions! Nancy has warned that the time is quickly coming when you will get no response from her at all, just a statement as to which questions will be accepted. You have complained when she told you, in no uncertain terms, what was wrong with your demands or your questions. But those who do not learn are destined to be ignored, which is what is coming next.

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted via email: 

Tony Rodham's sudden demise sounds a bit fishy to me considering his relationships with different Cabal members? Silencing of a potential witness or departed to Gitmo?
[and from another]
Hillary Clinton Says Her Youngest Brother Has Died
https://www.westernjournal.com/ap-hillary-clinton-says-her-youngest... 
She didn’t say how he died [June 8] but said he was survived by his wife, Megan, and three children, Zach, Simon and Fiona. He wed Nicole Boxer, the daughter of former U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat, in the Rose Garden in 1994. Tony and his brother Hugh were most notable for drawing unwelcome controversy to the Clinton administration.
[and from another]
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton-announces-the-deat...
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took to social media Saturday to announce the death of her brother Anthony Rodham. He was 65. Clinton wrote in a post on Twitter that her brother passed away sometime Friday night, although she did not comment on the cause of death.
[and from another]
Total 8Chan list
https://wearethene.ws/notable/52020
Herb Sandler- Podesta Emails- "Puzzagate handkerchief with map on it".
NYPD deputy chief investigating Hillary/Podesta/Pizzagate found dead with bullet though his head
Joe Calabrese-Nypd homicide detective-gunshot wound to head found at beach 5 min from home.
Steven Silks-Nypd deputy Chief of Queens North- gunshot wound to head in unmarked police car.
Tony Rodham-younger brother of Hillary Clinton- Known piece of shit.
[and from another]
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-herbert-sandler-dies-2019060...
He was 87. Sandler died Wednesday at his home in San Francisco, according to his website. No cause was given.
[and from another]
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/john-podesta-donor-foundatio...
The contract — a copy of which was included in emails illegally obtained from Podesta’s Gmail account and disseminated by WikiLeaks — is still active, according to Herb Sandler, who said that it calls for Podesta to provide advice on grant-making and other foundation functions.
[and from another]
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/nyregion/steven-silks-joseph-cal...
Two Veteran Police Officers Die by Suicide in 24 Hours, Stunning Department. One was a veteran deputy chief found dead in his police vehicle in the neighborhood where he worked. The other was a longtime homicide detective, discovered lifeless hours later in the dark marshlands of southern Brooklyn.
[and from another]
https://nypost.com/2019/06/06/missing-homicide-detective-joe-calabr...
Missing homicide detective Joe Calabrese found dead
[and from another]
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nypd-police-chief...
A New York Police Department deputy chief officer days away from retirement was found dead with a suspected self-inflicted gunshot wound. The 62-year-old had worked for the NYPD for 38 years and was due to retire.

SOZT
Suicide weekend resulted because Barr’s DOJ is pursuing the arrest and prosecution of pedophile networks. Tens of thousands of sealed pedophile indictments were delayed because Mueller had links to them and refused to close his Russian Collusion investigation. Now the release of information to the public has reached a critical mass, where the IG report is about to be released, the FISA court scandals are about to be exposed, and Steele Dossier details revealed. Even Clinton’s email scandals are not exempt.

For those who relied upon the Clinton Cabal’s political power, this is all a shock. Step back three years to 2016 and one sees the expectations of entitlement. It was Hillary’s “turn” to become President, as the election fraud that had elected Bush in 2000 and 2004 was expected to put Hillary in the White House.
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue528.htm
But in 2006 we, the Zetas, and human counterparts ensured that the voter’s intent
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta337.htm
was registered. This has continued in federal elections within the US, and ensured that Trump’s true win resulted in his Presidency.

The Clinton Cabal had operated for years using pedophile blackmail, ensuring the cooperation of politicians in Congress and judges and prosecutors. Partners in crime, and profiting from it, were the FBI and DOJ under Obama, who himself was tied up by blackmail threats. The Deep State, as always, aligns with the agenda that provides the most benefits. Thus the Clinton Cabal looked unstoppable, but Trump’s Junta, under the auspices of Martial Law, stepped in and Tribunals ensued.
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue597.htm

The edges of the massive Clinton empire began to corrode and threaten the core. Right after Trump was elected, the Junta took action.
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue547.htm
Notable were the House Arrest boots
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue588.htm
that both Hillary and McCain wore. McCain was sentenced to be executed for treason and Hillary’s Clinton Foundation was decimated of funds she had garnered by selling US assets and supporting money laundering. Thus Hillary and Bill went on speaking tours, desperate for funds. But the greatest threat to the Clinton core was Hillary’s Moloch practices,
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue609.htm
exposing her Satanic rituals.

Hillary, a true sociopath who only weeps for herself, has long been known for her Arkancide,
http://www.arkancide.com/
whereby anyone with dirt on her died from an apparent suicide. Hillary’s brother Tony Rodham was a witness who knew more than the Clintons themselves about their crimes, due to being the agent they used for many enterprises. He gathered children for Moloch worship. Thousands of Haiti children disappeared, and those who knew and were about to talk were killed with the signature red scarf "suicide", as was Kate Spade.
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue611.htm

Brother Tony was spilling all he knew to the investigators, and was taken out by a very threatened pedophilia network that supplied children for sacrifice to those practicing Moloch worship. These practitioners are often wealthy and successful individuals, drunk on personal power which they assumed had been delivered to them because of their Satan worship. Their personal ideals meshed with Satan – love for none other but the self. It was determined that a message needed to be sent.

Hillary knew her brother was to be sacrificed, and her only comment was a shrug. The two GOP state senators killed by gunshot met their death to silence them during investigations they were spearheading into child theft and sale in their home states. What of the two New York Police Department “suicides”? It is notable that the Weiner laptop held copies of classified emails from Hillary’s server and a rumored video of Huma and Hillary murdering a child, all held as insurance against being Arkancided by Hillary. The two NYPD officers were expected to reveal evidence they had earlier disposed of.  
EOZT

Prior ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30ju2019.htm
Since the Mueller Report released all the open investigations it was restraining, pedophilia busts are on the move. Pedophile networks are frantic to protect themselves by eliminating anyone with information who might cooperate with the authorities. The purge had begun. Where normally structured so that those at the top are protected, with the middle man quickly killed during any crackdown, politicians often have the big picture and can give testimony. The deaths of these two GOP lawmakers was to send a message.

[Nancy Lieder]

Interesting hunch, but declined as the actual FACT that the Earth's orbit has been halted will never be admitted, per the Zetas. It would admit Nibiru, and that is not going to happen. 

Cameron W Coates said:

Is this another preparation for disclosure by putting out the thought that changing the earth’s orbit is even possible? 

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted from the ning moderators chat: 

Gives like a sense of urgency or so. Magnetosphere issues.
[and from another]
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2019/notre/notre2019a.html
Notre Dame of France, Nr Moisselles, France. Reported 1st June.
[and from another]
https://udayton.edu/imri/mary/c/crescent-moon-meaning.php
What is the meaning of the crescent moon that Mary is sometimes pictured standing upon? The so called Luna, half moon, or sickle of the moon, also waning and waxing moon, is a sign of fertility, related to life and death, and thus a popular symbol in many religions.  Biblical references use the moon symbol to highlight cosmic events, divine epiphanies and the ephemeral nature of human life and history (see, for example, Isaiah 30,26; 60,19; Revelations 21,23). 
[and from another]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent
It was also the emblem of Diana/Artemis, and hence represented virginity. From its use as roof finial in Ottoman era mosques, it has also become associated with Islam, and the crescent was introduced as chaplain badge for Muslim chaplains in the US military in 1993.
[and from another]
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2019/belmore/belmore2019a.html
Belmore Lane, Nr Owslebury, Hampshire. Reported 11th June

SOZT
Notre Dame was recently the focus of a major Holy War battle, where the burning cathedral was saved from destruction by the forces of many angels, working to counter the efforts of those wanting to start a global religious war. Thus the symbolism of this design in the fields nearby cannot fail to be noticed. Life and death and fertility and thus life renewed is represented. Both Christianity and Islam embrace this symbolism. The central crescent is Nibiru, representing death as it curves counter to what comes after, the renewed life.

The retrograde motion inherent in Nibiru’s orbit past the Sun, its planetary rotation, and thus the swipe of its monstrous charged tail is featured in the recent Belmore design. The Sun and its planets rotate and orbit in a counterclockwise manner, but Nibiru does the opposite, rotating and orbiting in a clockwise manner. What does it mean for planet Earth during the passage? Contact between the gravity and magnetic fields of Nibiru and Earth is a clash, violent and jolting rather than partnering to flow together in the same direction.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted via email: 

Who was Bep Kororoti?
[and from another]
http://www.messagetoeagle.com/kororotispacewarrior.php#.XQIg9BZKjX5
The inhabitants of the Amazon jungle, the Indians Kaiapo settled in northern Brazil, have detailed legends of sky visitors, who gave their people wisdom and knowledge. The Kaiapo Indians worshipped in particular one of these heavenly teachers. His name was Bep Kororoti, which in Kayapo language, means "Warrior of the Universe". According to the Kaiapo, the gods came from the sky and descended on Earth in very early times when humans still behaved like animals. The sky gods taught people agriculture, medicine, and astronomy and instructed them regarding daily matters. According to the Kaiapo legend - narrated from father to son for millennia - Bep Kororoti created a school where he taught the men of the villages many practical things, which were of use and importance in their daily lives. Nobody could hide or runaway from Bep Kororoti, and if they tried, he paralyzed them with a beam of light. Another unusual characteristic of the space visitor was that he had no need of nourishment.
[and from another]
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_AAtheory06.htm#...
The Kayapo tribe in Brazil worship a being called Bep-Kororoti - "astronaut-like" god today symbolized by a straw man - and recite its messages - more proof of a living mythology that, to this day, relates information from a dark past.
[and from another]
https://www.amazon.com/Chariots-Gods-Erich-Von-Daniken/dp/0425074811
Immediately recognized as a work of monumental importance, Chariots of the Gods endures as proof that Earth has been visited repeatedly by advanced aliens from other worlds. Here, Erich von Däniken examines ancient ruins, lost cities, spaceports, and a myriad of hard scientific facts that point to extraterrestrial intervention in human history. 

SOZT
Bep Kororoti was of course yet another visitor, come to Earth to help mankind progress and to promote helpful practices. Every culture on Earth, and every niche, has such stories, but many get lost in the fog of history. Where the legends are preserved in some manner, here in Brazil by faithful word of mouth, they paint a consistent picture. The book Chariots of the Gods by Von Daniken points to many visitors dressed in space suits, such as the Jomon in Japan
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue619.htm
and Inca and Egyptian pictographs. Such visitors are of record in Australia, India,
http://www.zetatalk.com/worlds/w50.htm
and in ancient Babylon.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted from the moderators chat: 

That comment re space force, quite curious. Dunford at 2.25mins in. I am sure Blumenthal is talking about Nib as opposed to ET's. That was back in April, so I wonder what conclusions were drawn.  
[and from another]
https://www.disclose.tv/us-congress-aware-of-a-significant-threat-i...
US congress aware of a significant threat in outer space that would make us panic?
April 13, 2019
Senator Richard Blumenthal knows about a top-secret, real and terrifying space threat. He admitted it. A "space threat" they know about and we don't - purposefully withheld from the public. “The American People have no idea of the immensity of the threat. … why the threats there are real and why they are growing in importance ..”
[and from another]
https://spacenews.com/house-armed-services-committee-votes-to-creat...
House Armed Services Committee votes to create a U.S. Space Corps
June 13, 2019
The House Armed Services Committee voted to establish a United States Space Corps within the Department of the Air Force. The name of the new space service, U.S. Space Corps, rather than the Trump administration’s preferred name, U.S. Space Force. Like the Marine Corps, the Space Corps would be led by a four-star Commandant who would be a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

SOZT
Democrat Senator Blumenthal was hinting around during the Space Force hearings on April 13, 2019 because he resents his position in the need-to-know structure that classified data entails. He knows far more from the rumor mill than from the classified documents he is privy to. Officially, Nibiru does not exist. Officially, the Space Force is to assist with Near Earth Asteroid threats. Blumenthal is trying a power play with the DOD, implying that he could make the American people panic unless they shared more information with him. He did not succeed.
EOZT

Prior ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30ju2018.htm
Why is President Trump creating a new branch of the Defense Department? NASA, under contract to the US government, is in outer space and has been tasked with returning US astronauts to the Moon and eventually to Mars. The Air Force has a Space Command branch that covers the airspace closer to Earth, including satellite debris.  Why not simply expand NASA or the Air Force? NASA has been tasked with the cover-up over Nibiru for decades, and the Air Force was in charge of the Blue Book cover-up over the alien presence. Could the Deep State be trusted to tell the truth about Nibiru?  Seeking funding from Congress while politicians posture and grand stand is expected to drag on while actual work progresses. Meanwhile, a Nibiru announcement or admission can be in new and trusted hands.

[Willa Rawlings]

Qanon - The Great Awakening, has not updated anything for weeks now; since May 26.

Are they laying low, or in Facebook Jail, OR------ Just curious, as this page is usually very busy with posts from Q.

https://www.facebook.com/FutureProvesPast/

[Nancy Lieder]

Q often falls silent for weeks and even, in the past, for months at a time. It has only been since May 26. I have several Q sites, most not facebook at all, and they all say the same thing. When Q is silent, things are happening. In between he preps us for what is coming. So, read OLDER Q to get oriented. Like the Q from 6/10/2018 on Pedo "suicides", and then a year later on 6/10/2019, we have a rash of Pedo suicides! 

Willa Rawlings said:

Qanon - The Great Awakening, has not updated anything for weeks now; since May 26.

Are they laying low, or in Facebook Jail, OR------ Just curious, as this page is usually very busy with posts from Q.

https://www.facebook.com/FutureProvesPast/

[Juan F Martinez]

Nancy, another American tourist dies while staying at Dominican Republic resort.  Is there a relationship to Clinton Foundation and pedophilia networks?  Are they tying up loose ends and sending a message?   

A woman died earlier this week in the Dominican Republic, amid a spate of reported illnesses and deaths at resorts in the Caribbean country, according to the U.S. State Department.

Leyla Cox, 53, was staying at the Excellence resort in Punta Cana when she died Tuesday, her son, Will, told NBC News.

Layla Cox with her son, Will Cox.Courtesy Will Cox

Meanwhile, another family has reported that their loved one died in the Dominican Republic in January.

Jerry Curran, 78, checked into the Dreams resort in Punta Cana on Jan. 22, and died three days later, his daughter, Kellie Brown, told NBC affiliate WKYC in Ohio. The State Department confirmed Friday that an American died in the Dominican Republic in January.

“He went to the Dominican Republic healthy and he just never came back,” Brown said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/another-american-tourist-dies-wh...

From another:  FBI Investigates After Deaths of 6 U.S. Tourists in the Dominican Republic. Should You Cancel Your Trip?

https://time.com/5602981/dominican-republic-resort-deaths-safety/

[Juan F Martinez]

Nancy, Is there a NEW Biden?

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted. That's Biden with a face lift!

Juan F Martinez said:

Is there a new Biden?

SOZT
Competing against so many youthful Democratic candidates, Biden has had a face lift. This pulled his jowls up and because a lift is tucked behind the ear, this also pulled his ear forward. Face Lift scars are designed to hide behind the ear, in the skin folds there, and be tucked up under the hair line so the hair at the temple hides the scar. Biden is also sporting a new hair-do, with thicker woven hair and no longer frazzled at the back or with a bald spot. Was he mysteriously missing from the campaign trail recently?
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted

Juan F Martinez said:

Another American tourist dies while staying at Dominican Republic resort. 

Is there a relationship to Clinton Foundation and pedophilia networks?  Are they tying up loose ends and sending a message?   
[and from another]
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/another-american-tourist-dies-wh...
Leyla Cox, 53, was staying at the Excellence resort in Punta Cana when she died. Meanwhile, another family has reported that their loved one died in the Dominican Republic in January. Jerry Curran, 78, checked into the Dreams resort in Punta Cana on Jan. 22, and died three days later.
[and from another]
FBI Investigates After Deaths of 6 U.S. Tourists in the Dominican Republic. Should You Cancel Your Trip?
https://time.com/5602981/dominican-republic-resort-deaths-safety/
The State Department confirmed that the FBI was providing technical assistance with the toxicology reports. The family of California native Robert Wallace, 67, that he had died after visiting the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Resort in Punta Cana. On April 11, Wallace fell ill after having a Scotch from his hotel room’s mini bar. After being checked by a hotel doctor on April 13, Wallace was sent to the hospital where he died on April 14. According to the State Department, last year 13 U.S. citizens died while traveling to the Dominican Republic. The number was 17 in 2017. More than 2.7 million U.S. tourists visited the island in 2017, making the island the fourth most popular travel destination for Americans. Day and Holmes, a couple from Maryland, were both found unresponsive in their rooms by hotel staff the day they were scheduled to check out.  Dominican district attorney confirmed that all three all three suffered respiratory failure and had fluid in their lungs. Results from the FBI’s toxicology analysis might take up to 30 days. Kaylynn Knull, 29, and her boyfriend Tom Schwander, 33, said they were forced to cut their trip short because they fell seriously ill during their stay at the resort. When the couple returned home, still feeling sick, a doctor told the couple they were likely exposed to organophosphates, a chemical typically found in pesticide.
[and from another]
https://nypost.com/2019/06/13/authorities-eyeing-bootleg-liquor-as-...
Cops are investigating whether at least seven tourists who mysteriously died in the Dominican Republic were poisoned by counterfeit booze.

SOZT
The Dominican Republic is a hugely popular vacation destination for Americans, so what is a tourist to do while they await the FBI toxicology analysis? Heart attacks or heart failure is implicated because of the respiratory failure. The Dominican Republic does not have the facilities to do a toxicology test on the bodies, and there seems to be no connection among those suddenly stricken. Is it cheap bootleg booze in the mini-bars? The deaths seemed to occur often just after a mini-bar drink. Is it pesticides lingering in the rooms?

It is none of these possibilities but another. In each of these instances where an otherwise healthy individual is suddenly stricken, it has been murder. The liquor in the mini-bars will be cleared. It is glasses on the trays that are wiped along the lip line with poison. The motive is theft, as the couples have been robbed prior to death, and in the uproar over the medical emergency no one is counting change. It is not uncommon for vacationers to carry large amounts of cash and they don’t keep a log of what was spent or what remains.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted via email: 

Just wondering if anything important about these UFO displays in Clayville NY recently? 
[and from another]
June 8 2019 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_jhs3K_DMA
[and from another]
June 9 2010 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsM0uS2XBIg
[and from another]
May 15 2019 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KELPjXAVPI

SOZT
The Finger Lakes in New York State show the stretch that occurs along the St. Lawrence Seaway during the Earth changes that accompany a crustal shift caused by Nibiru. The Seaway is pulled apart, affecting lands all the way to Wisconsin and Minnesota. This is in process now, though the major ripping will occur during the hour of the Pole Shift. Clayville lies on the shores of a lake, in lowland that will be flooded during early ripping of the Seaway and the sloshing in the Atlantic.
EOZT

Prior ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx333.htm
Where the Seaway opens into Lake Ontario, it is passing through a pinch of rock that is cohesive both north and south and does not want to rip open. Thus the finger lakes in New York State, just beyond this pinch, are attempting to rip open where the pinch itself has not yet ripped. 

Prior ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx081.htm
The finger lakes, created when the land was stretched during the creating of the St. Lawrence Seaway in the past, will if anything deepen, allowing the water level to temporarily drop, when the St. Lawrence Seaway once again is pulled apart.