ZetaTalk Chat for November 30, 2018

[Nancy Lieder]

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3. The Zetas, as all visitors, are under rules on how they interact with humanity. They are not here to rescue you. They cannot divert Planet X just as today they do not prevent droughts or floods. The Earth is mankind’s schoolhouse whereby he learns to help his fellow man.
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Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 70 [73] years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek. To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

Bear in mind, during these chats, what you are asking of ourselves and Nancy. You have a resource here which you are regularly wasting and exhausting with idiotic questions! Nancy has warned that the time is quickly coming when you will get no response from her at all, just a statement as to which questions will be accepted. You have complained when she told you, in no uncertain terms, what was wrong with your demands or your questions. But those who do not learn are destined to be ignored, which is what is coming next.

[M. Difato]

Hello Nancy and the Zetas,

 Is there any insight the Zetas can give regarding the rare, polio-like neurological condition "acute flaccid myelitis,, also known as AFM. Also, Is the Centers for Disease Control hiding the deaths of children who suffered from the condition? Thank You.

~

 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/afm-accute-flaccid-myelitis-cdc-confir...

A total of 90 people in 27 states have come down with the rare, polio-like neurological condition acute flaccid myelitis, also known as AFM, so far this year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Tuesday. That's up from 72 cases reported last week. The CDC is investigating an additional 162 cases for potential AFM.

Almost all of the patients are children under the age of 18. Officials still do not know what causes the illness and what is behind the recent spike in cases. 

AFM is an illness that affects the nervous system, specifically the area of spinal cord called gray matter. It causes the muscles and reflexes in the body to become weak or even paralyzed. Cases of AFM are characterized by a sudden onset of arm or leg weakness and loss of muscle tone and reflexes. In extreme cases, patients may need a ventilator to breathe.

Its symptoms are likened to those caused by polio, which was eradicated in the U.S. thanks to the polio vaccine. However, the CDC has stressed that none of the children who developed these symptoms had the polio virus. 

• Symptoms of mysterious polio-like illness parents should watch out for

Health officials saw the first wave of AFM cases in 2014, when 120 cases were confirmed in the United States. Another 149 were reported in 2016. Case counts were far lower in 2015 and 2017, and experts don't know why it seems to follow an every-other-year pattern. In years where more cases have been reported, peaks are seen in the late summer and fall.

The CDC knows of one death in a child who had AFM in 2017. No deaths from the illness have been reported in 2018..."

{and another}

https://wgntv.com/2018/11/13/parents-accuse-cdc-of-not-reporting-ch...

 Parents of children who had a horrifying polio-like illness are accusing the Centers for Disease Control of hiding the deaths of two children who suffered from the condition.

The parents say by not publicly acknowledging the two deaths, the agency is intentionally downplaying the severity of acute flaccid myelitis (AFM), a disease that paralyzes healthy children in a matter of hours.

“I feel like they’re just sugar-coating this,” said Katie Bustamante, whose son Alex, age 6, died in May. “It eliminates my trust in the CDC.”

Their accusations come amid a wave of criticism from parents of children with AFM and from some of the CDC’s own medical advisers. In a recent on-camera interview with CNN, a group of parents gave the agency an “F” for its handling of the outbreak.."

{and another}

Is the CDC underreporting children's deaths from rare polio-like illness?

Some parents are accusing the CDC of underreporting deaths from acute flaccid myelitis and hiding information from the public ..."

{and another}

Parents accuse CDC of not reporting deaths from 'polio-like' illnes...

The parents of two children say the government is downplaying the deadly truth about the “polio-like” illness Acute Flaccid M...

[Nancy Lieder]

Declined, at least for now, because this is just along the trend lines that the Zetas predicted. Increasing illness, germs morphing, opportunistic germs migrating. Polio was/is caused by a virus and this could be a virus, newly evolved from existing virus, as they are all constantly changing. Or it could prove to be an autoimmune reaction, such as Guillain Barre syndrom, which I personally am very familiar with as it almost killed me at the age of 23. I still have muscular weakness bodywide, and 5 specialists said I would not survive, so severe was my case. I am thus not taking lightly this AFM paralysis striking hundreds of children. Polio likewise struck children more than adults. And skipping years as is mentioned could be due to temporary immunity toward the virus. This will not be the first new germ or reaction of the immune systems, and will not be the last. 

http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t71.htm

http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g199.htm

M. Difato said:

Is there any insight the Zetas can give regarding the rare, polio-like neurological condition "acute flaccid myelitis,, also known as AFM.

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted via email: 

There seems to be some very strange things about these fires, from their intensity to the many places where some structures are burned down right next to other structures and trees left untouched.
[and from another]
https://www.metabunk.org/explained-unburned-trees-next-to-burned-do...
Explained: Unburned trees next to burned down structures as evidence of secret "energy weapons"
October 16, 2018
The actual reason, as many people have pointed out, is simply that the wood in the houses is dry, and the wood in the trees is wet.

SOZT
We have advised those wanting to survive the coming Pole Shift, which will cause a crustal shift of 90 degrees within the space of an hour, to avoid
http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p68.htm
places that might experience hot earth. To escape the hurricane force winds, it is natural to hide in ravines. To escape the heat, it is natural to want to stand in cool streams or rivers. But rivers exist because water flows to the lowest point, a sag in the crust, and thus the heat of sliding rock layers, subduction of one layer over another, is the most intense there.

As Velikovsky documented, reports from the Indians of the West Coast recounted
http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo07b.htm
that those who sought refuge in the cool streams found themselves standing in boiling water. From British Colombia to Colorado, subduction of the Pacific Plate caused hot earth. Examine the terrain at Paradise, California. The fires started along the river, in a ravine, and lifted thereafter into the hills. Should the readership doubt that subducting plates, or plate friction, can cause this heat, look to the stretch in the Urals
http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30no2018.htm
recently. Water in the wells became hot.
EOZT

ZetaTalk Advice 7/15/1996:
http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p68.htm
Those situated where rapid subduction occurs on areas above sea level may themselves on hot earth during the moments following a pole shift when the crust stops moving and the plates in essence slam into each other like a train whose engine suddenly comes to a stop. Here height helps, as the greater the distance from where friction between the crusts is creating heat, the better. The heat can be great enough to melt rock, as witnesses who have survived such terrifying sights attest. 

ZetaTalk Advice 6/11/2011:
http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx381.htm
Then there is the issue of hot or melting Earth, where subduction in river valleys is so rapid and aggressive that the heat melts the ground, as has been recorded by the West Coast Indians in the past. The eastern Mediterranean coastline also recorded this during the Exodus. But being on high ground is a guard against hot or melting Earth, as the rock only melts when it is close to the point of friction between rock layers.

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted via email: 

This “new” initiative, enacted last month on October 9, seems to have had no press whatsoever. The sole purpose of this document is to protect the US against adversarial or “natural” threats to infrastructure. Certainly there is technology that could simulate the effects of an EMP, but why this initiative and why now? The state vision of the document is curious, considering the slow action of the government in the event of hurricanes or other natural disasters of late. Even the Carrington Event was fairly isolated in its effects on the planet. This little known document appears to be the beginning of dealing head on with the impact of the magnetosphere bombardment by Planet X. Would the Zetas care to comment on this new document, and why they are addressing this now, when the sun is silent? 
[and from another]
https://www.dhs.gov/publication/protecting-and-preparing-homeland-a...
Extreme electromagnetic incidents caused by an intentional electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack or a naturally occurring geomagnetic disturbance (GMD, also referred to as "space weather") could damage significant portions of the Nation's critical infrastructure, including the electrical grid, communications equipment, water and wastewater systems, and transportation modes. Vision: The United States is prepared for extreme electromagnetic incidents and capable of quickly restoring critical infrastructure and supporting communities to fully recover.
[and from another]
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/10/09/dhs-announces-strategy-protect-...
October 9, 2018 The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) today announced the release of the Strategy for Protecting and Preparing the Homeland against Threats from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) and Geomagnetic Disturbance (GMD).
[and from another]
http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/emp-denial?xg_source=activity
[and from another]
https://www.businessinsider.com/virgin-australia-emergency-landing-...
A Virgin Australia plane had to make an emergency landing after passengers reported a "burning smell," coming from the plane, according to multiple reports. Virgin Australia Flight 465 took off from Perth International Airport at 7:03 a.m. on Thursday, October 18, with an intended destination of Brisbane Airport. Approximately three hours into the flight the captain notified the rest of the plane of "an electrical issue," and announced the plane would need to be diverted to Adelaide Airport.
[and from another]
https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/goair-a320neo-delhi-goa-...
Two GoAir flights make emergency landing after mid-air engine failure, fire in cargo bay India October 21, 2018 Flight number G8033 which was travelling from Delhi to Male turned midair and returned to Delhi airport after engine failure was reported. Flight Number 285 travelling from Goa to Delhi was forced to land at Goa airport after fire was reported from the cargo area.
[and from another]
https://q13fox.com/2018/10/24/us-stealth-bomber-makes-emergency-lan...
US stealth bomber makes emergency landing after engine, electrical failures October 24, 2018 The $1.2 billion aircraft was en route to Whiteman Air Force Base, Missouri. Two pilots were on board and both aviators were unharmed, and the exact cause of the in-flight emergency is under investigation. the aircraft was diverted after experiencing a number four engine failure, followed by complete electrical failure.
Shortly after the pilots were able to restore the electrical system, they began experiencing pressurization issues.
[and from another]
https://www.ndtv.com/kolkata-news/indigo-flight-with-76-passengers-...
November 09, 2018 A Guwahati-bound IndiGo aircraft with 76 passengers on board made an emergency landing within a few minutes of take-off from the Kolkata airport after smoke was detected from the plane's cargo hold.
[and from another]
Air France flight makes emergency landing in Siberia
https://www.thelocal.fr/20181111/air-france-flight-makes-emergency-...
November 11, 2018 An Air France flight carrying 282 passengers from Paris to Shanghai made an unexpected stop in Siberia. An acrid smell and light smoke appeared on board. Air France said the flight could continue to Shanghai after technical clearance.
[and from another]
https://nypost.com/2018/11/12/2nd-warplane-crashes-from-navy-aircra...
The Navy’s 7th Fleet said in a statement that the F/A-18 Hornet had a mechanical problem during routine operations in the Philippine Sea. The cause of the crash is under investigation. The Navy said the aviators were immediately plucked from the water by a rescue aircraft and brought back to the ship. It said they are both in good condition. It was the second crash involving the Reagan in less than a month. In mid-October, an MH-60 Seahawk crashed shortly after takeoff, causing non-fatal injuries to a dozen sailors.
[and from another]
https://www.universetoday.com/139189/are-we-headed-towards-another-...
Have you been keeping an eye on Sol lately? One of the top astronomy stories for 2018 may be what’s not happening, and how inactive our host star has become. If the current trend continues, with spotless days more the rule than the exception, we could be in for a deep profound solar minimum through the 2018 to 2020 season, the likes of which would be unprecedented in modern astronomy.

SOZT
Airplanes have been crashing with undeniable assault by EMP since 2009, when AF 447
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue136.htm
went down over the highly magnetized Atlantic Rift with all electrical systems winking out, one by one. This was followed by MH 370
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue390.htm
in 2014 over the sensitive Indonesia waters, the latest there JT 610
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue632.htm
in 2018 with all on board lost. Yet for all the obvious EMP plane crashes, the airline industry refuses to admit that EMP is involved, as profits are more important to those in charge than informing the public. The Nibiru cover-up, as usual, rules.

Now in 2018, new problems have emerged. Where most EMP damaged plane crashes occur over water, due to the attraction that the electronic screech in stressed rock under the water has for the electro-magnetic flows coming from the charged tail of Nibiru, these attacks are now starting to occur over land. Planes having to land due to smoking electronics is a NEW phenomenon, occurring over Siberia and Australia and India within the past month. This escalation includes US military planes – the Stealth Bomber over the continental US and Hornets over the Philippine Sea.

What is the cover-up over Nibiru to do? Homeland Security is admitting the EMP is coming “from space” but the Sun at present during the solar minimum is asleep. Electronics can be incased in a Faraday shield, perhaps the most obvious and easily arranged solution. But mankind’s electrical systems cannot be redone overnight, nor will a Faraday solution allow for communications by cell phone or wifi, which are also blocked by a Faraday shield. Coordinating flights to times when the Schumann Resonance
https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/schumann-resonance-today-update/
and the related EMP are temporarily low is another solution.
EOZT

[Chris Harris]

Hi Nancy and Zetas,

Would the Zetas like to comment on the following discovery and analysis? The stated date range fits 3 pole shifts ago. If the site is not Atlantis would the Zetas care to elucidate the true history of the site in question?

[Chris Harris]

Here is the link:

https://www.sott.net/article/400799-Ancient-underwater-ruins-found-...

Thankyou

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted. Matches what the Zetas said more or less so very interesting!

Chris Harris said:

Would the Zetas like to comment on the following discovery and analysis? 

The stated date range fits 3 pole shifts ago. If the site is not Atlantis would the Zetas care to elucidate the true history of the site in question?
[and from another]
https://www.sott.net/article/400799-Ancient-underwater-ruins-found-...
Ancient underwater ruins found off coast of Spain November 16, 2018 Ancient ruins examined using satellite imagery provide evidence that the city's huge harbour walls once stood in southern Spain. Many of the sites studied by the team were already known to archaeologists, and are thought to have been constructed by the ancient Romans and Greeks. Atlantis was recorded in the writings of Greek philosopher Plato, who in 400 BC described an advanced island civilisation that ruled a vast maritime empire, some 9,000 years before his own era. The city of Atlantis at the centre of this empire was described as having an enormous harbour wall, huge entrance pillars, a temple to the god Poseidon and massive circular pieces of land carved out by the Atlanteans to live on. It is thought a cataclysmic natural disaster, such as a tsunami or volcanic event, eventually wiped out the Atlanteans, consigning their legacy to legend. 

SOZT
We stated at the start of the ZetaTalk saga
http://zetatalk.com/myths/m54.htm
that Atlantis had been on the Atlantic side of Europe, and had sunk into the sea during a past Pole Shift;
http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta497.htm
that Atlantis was an Annunaki city,
http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p41.htm
that its demise was assisted
http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/28sp2013.htm
by Service to Other aliens as had been described in the Oahspe;
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/lou0924.htm
that an undersea pyramid near the Azores had been constructed by the Annunaki to prevent the African Roll, but the stomp taking “thousands of tons” of pressure sinking land just off-coast from Spain shows the proximity of Atlantis.

Plato also described the location of Atlantis as being just west of Gibraltar, which coincides with the location previously confirmed by ourselves. Now details have emerged of a seawall at the Donana National Preserve, also described by Plato, and circular bases for large housing structures. There is little left of Atlantis for mankind to explore, as whatever the water did not wash away was removed by the Annunaki who did not like to leave their technology behind for mankind to discover. A clue to the timing of the demise of Atlantis is Plato’s estimate, placing the demise 3 Pole Shifts back.
EOZT

Prior 1995 ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p41.htm
Many cities in and around the European continent went under the waves during the past few pole shifts. This is because the Atlantic, as a widening ocean, tends to drag down the shore lines and outlying islands during each shift. The floor of the Atlantic drops, pulling its perimeter with it. Atlantis was not a human society, but a society composed, dominated, by [the Annunaki].

Prior ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/28sp2013.htm
We stated early in the ZetaTalk saga that Atlantis was located off the coast of Europe, which is land that is regularly pulled down under the waves as the Atlantic is pulled apart during Pole Shifts. In 2004 a compressed triangle in the rock was found just off the coast of Spain and west of Gibraltar, clearly not a natural formation. This huge formation was touching the plate border there between the African Plate and the Eurasian Plate.  Where the Annunaki did not have the technology to effect this stamped triangle in the rock just to the west of Gibraltar, the Service-to-Self aliens who were influencing the Annunaki and assisting them in building the pyramids and seamless walls out of huge rock did this for them. The purpose? To slow the African roll, and thus slow the slippage of Atlantis into the sea, as these aliens wanted the Annunaki to continue to be present, oppressing mankind for the harvest of souls they anticipated in the future.  This likewise is not the location of Atlantis, but was a navigational pyramid like the Great Pyramids. 

Prior 2009 ZT: http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta497.htm
We have stated in the past that Atlantis was not in the Caribbean nor was it in the Mediterranean. It was off the coast of Europe, in the lands routinely drawn down under the waves when a pole shift rips the Atlantic further apart. 

Prior 1997 ZT: http://zetatalk.com/myths/m54.htm
Atlantis was land near the current continent of Europe, which was pulled into the Atlantic during the continental rip that accompanies violent pole shifts and thus disappeared dramatically under the sea.  This demise was assisted by extraterrestrials, who took advantage of the natural cataclysm to adjust the balance in spiritual orientation influencing developing human spirits, in line with a determination by the Council of Worlds that such an adjustment was needed. Atlantis had been essentially invaded by the giant hominoids from Planet X, who prior to the quarantine that is now in effect were considered simply another hominoid race within your Solar System. Interactions between humans and these hominoids were allowed to proceed without interference, but increasing slavery of humans by these giant hominoids was tripping the balance so that humans were less and less free to choose their orientation based on their true feelings and increasingly influenced by feelings of helplessness. Thus, an adjustment was required.

Oahspe Quote: http://www.zetatalk.com/index/lou0924.htm
By power and wisdom of God, the continent of Atlantis is to be cut loose and submerged ... the ships of fire formed in line, extending from my place down to earth. And every ship was contracted 10,000 fold, which was the force required to break the crust of the earth and sink a continent.
Oahspe: Book of Aph, Chapter II

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted via email: 

I would like to ask why now that there are many flat earth conspiracy theorists? I have noticed that the Daily Show on comedy central with Trevor Noah has given these theories attention.
Who are behind this rise and why now?
[and from another]
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/r5gc06/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noa...
[and from another]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
The flat Earth model is an archaic conception of Earth's shape as a plane or disk. Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD), and China until the 17th century. In the modern era, pseudoscientific flat Earth theories have been espoused by modern flat Earth societies and, increasingly, by unaffiliated individuals using social media.
[and from another]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth
The Hollow Earth is a historical concept proposing that the planet Earth is entirely hollow or contains a substantial interior space. In ancient times, the concept of a subterranean land inside the Earth appeared in mythology, folklore and legends. The idea of subterranean realms seemed arguable, and became intertwined with the concept of "places" of origin or afterlife, such as the Greek underworld, the Nordic Svartálfaheimr, the Christian Hell, and the Jewish Sheol. The idea of a subterranean realm is also mentioned in Tibetan Buddhist belief. According to one story from Tibetan Buddhist tradition, there is an ancient city called Shamballa which is located inside the Earth.
[and from another]
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mandela_effect

The Mandela effect is the pseudoscientific belief that some differences between one's memories and the real world are caused by changes to past events in the timeline. Many Mandela effect believers believe it is caused by accidental travel between alternate universes, although some others propose that history has been deliberately altered after the fact by malicious extradimensional beings within the same timeline or by experiments at CERN. What truly distinguishes a Mandela effect from a run of the mill error is that the discovery of this particular error was so profoundly disrupting to the person's basic sense of life, liberty and the pursuit of tentacle porn on the internet that it triggered a panic attack. The idea of the Mandela effect is mostly pushed by people who like to think the whole world revolves around themselves, so obviously if they remember anything differently from others then the world must be wrong, not their memory. 

SOZT
We have often warned that humans have a great capacity for denial in the face of the obvious. One does not have cancer despite what the doctor is showing on x-rays. One’s spouse is not having an affair despite the lipstick on the collar. We have warned that fully half of mankind will refuse to believe that Nibiru is trending toward a passage, even when this fact has been officially admitted by the establishment. Amnesia, forgetting unpleasant facts, is another facet of denial. One clings to the facts that comfort, and denies discomfort.

* Thus we have the Flat Earth
http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s61.htm
theory that prevailed in the past in Europe, China, and Asia. It was based on the fact that the horizon can be seen in the distance. Here we have a central aspect to silly theories – a core belief. Other concepts and memories are structured around the core belief and rather than rearrange it all, which would take time and effort, the holder simply refuses to budge.

* This is likewise the case with the Hollow Earth
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta340.htm
theory, which is absurd on its face as how can molten magma and a hollow space coexist. But memories of cave dwelling during past lives and the need to confabulate,
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/confabulate
to fill in the blanks, overrules logic.

* The Mandela Effect is surrounded with the notion that one can change the past if one wishes it so, as though all of humanity in its pain and travails would not have already agreed on a new outcome. Would not all those starving in drought ridden countries already have agreed to change their past, if this were so? This notion has been ascribed to faulty memory, but those clinging to a wrong notion are dealing with more than that. They fear facing a future they cannot control.

In all of these matters the problem lies with mankind’s need for comfort and reassurance, for control. When silly theories appear to flood social media, appearing on message boards and email, it is a deliberate campaign to test gullibility. There are a multitude of excuses for Nibiru, from the Earth wobble being caused by uneven ice at the poles to the red dust all coming from the Sahara to earthquakes caused by fracking to the Second Sun being caused by solar simulators in the sky to California fires being caused by DEW lasers. The cover-up over Nibiru hopes you believe!
EOZT

Prior 2006 ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta340.htm
The heat of the molten lava melts all that it contacts, melts rock, certainly melts metal, so just how would those in a hollow Earth manage to maintain pathways to the surface? In addition, your own scientists tell you that imaging or sending rays through the Earth sense a solid core, which is true of almost all planets except some that are gaseous. The theory is simply ridiculous, on its face.

Prior 1996 ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s61.htm
Coming out of the Dark Ages, man believed the Earth was flat, and that the heavens revolved around the Earth. Evidence that contradicted these assumptions was ignored until the weight of evidence became so heavy that the comfortable assumption was eroded. How could such a theory as the flat Earth even evolve? To man today, this theory seems laughable, but when it evolved, the edges of the horizon always seemed at the edge of a flat plane, so this was the newborn child's first conclusion.  The toddler assumes the world revolves around him, and is loath to let this go. The alternate explanation, that the heavens were dancing for his amusement, fit his mind-set. Did not the Sun rise when he felt refreshed, and set when he was weary? All to serve his needs, he had no doubt.

[Gerard Zwaan]

Could the Zetas say more about this guy, for what i know a lot of the ideas of the new world orders stem from his ideas. Aleister Crowley.

Aleister Crowley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley and http://www.crystalinks.com/crowley.html
Aleister Crowley, George W. Bush, 9/11 and the New World Order http://revolutionharry.blogspot.com/2011/02/aleister-crowley-george...
Aleister Crowley, the Wickedest Man in the World | Explained in 5 Minutes | reallygraceful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZeoZfeAdIw
The Spirit Cooking Ritual related to Aleister Crowley https://youtu.be/p--0q3F9-qk 
ALEISTER CROWLEY - FULL DOCUMENTARY  https://youtu.be/oXGKhnfaK88
NASA's Jack Parsons and Aleister Crowley Occult Connection - New World Order https://youtu.be/oXGKhnfaK88
Barbara Bush - Daughter of Aleister Crowley! - Truth Finally comes out! 2018 https://youtu.be/NEhOLoVbcrA

 

[Nancy Lieder]

Declined because the Zetas are telling me this would be focusing on an INDIVIDUAL rather than a broader and larger picture, rather than the movement or the group. This tends to focus anger and any efforts to change the BIG picture. This is, in the opinion of the Zetas, a child's focus. We don't have turkey for Thanksgiving because daddy did not buy a turkey, when the true picture is perhaps huge affecting the entire country. These are examples the Zetas wanted me to cite: 

Not Hitler but the Nazi: http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m50.htm

Hitler took the brunt of the rage against the Nazi as he was the puppet those who ran the regime hid behind. This is a common ploy used by those firmly in the Service-to-Self, as it is a common ploy used by those who want to evade responsibility for their actions. 

Not Merkel and May but the illuminati: http://zetatalk.com/ning/31jy2018.htm

The power of the Illuminati comes only from the cooperation these connections infer. Even after most European countries became democracies with regular elections, their royalty prevailed and was given power outside of what elected office provides. Marriage between royal households was used to cement relationships between countries. But there is a blood line strain beyond royalty. 

Not the Pope but Pedophilia: http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue536.htm

Not Podesta but Moloch and Baal: http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue609.htm and http://www. zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue628.htm

Gerard Zwaan said:

Could the Zetas say more about this guy, 

[Stanislav]

Hi Nancy and Zetas,

What? Already the second head of the GRU dies! It seems that this is not a intelligence agency, but a criminal syndicate... This is rather unprecedented since it has never happened in other countries.

Head Of Russian Military Intelligence Dies Mysteriously From "Serious Illness"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-21/head-russian-military-int...

Thank you very much

[Nancy Lieder]

Declined because all the supposed "suicides" that have been occurring and will increasingly occur would fill the ZetaTalk time and energy if we responded to them all. On the face of it, this does not look like murder, more like heart problems finally resulted in heart failure or attack. A type A personality. My father dropped dead in front of me at 52 years of age of a massive corronary, and he had given no signs of heart problems before that other than an "acid stomach" the night before. This guy was doing his job, despite all the garbage thrown about by the Western press about Salisbury poisoning (done by the UK) and MH 017 (shot down by Kiev and Soros). 

Stanislav said:

What? Already the second head of the GRU dies! It seems that this is not a intelligence agency, but a criminal syndicate...