ZetaTalk Chat for September 30, 2018

[Nancy Lieder]

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3. The Zetas, as all visitors, are under rules on how they interact with humanity. They are not here to rescue you. They cannot divert Planet X just as today they do not prevent droughts or floods. The Earth is mankind’s schoolhouse whereby he learns to help his fellow man.
4. The date of the pole shift cannot be given, but the sequence of events can be given. [ Link ] Check the ning pinned discussions and blogs for such information as the 7 of 10, the last weeks, etc.

Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 70 [73] years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek. To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

Bear in mind, during these chats, what you are asking of ourselves and Nancy. You have a resource here which you are regularly wasting and exhausting with idiotic questions! Nancy has warned that the time is quickly coming when you will get no response from her at all, just a statement as to which questions will be accepted. You have complained when she told you, in no uncertain terms, what was wrong with your demands or your questions. But those who do not learn are destined to be ignored, which is what is coming next.

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted via email: 

The Borovoe lake region in Kazakhstan is intersected by perfectly straight lines stretching for tens of kilometers that delineate the forest into equal rectangles. What was this done for?
[and from another]
https://earth.google.com/web/@53.08423179,70.24023358,349.78308066a...
[and from another]
https://sibved.livejournal.com/3970.html
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http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue359.htm
A ceramic map of the Ural Mountains.  

SOZT
As we have confirmed in prior ZetaTalk, the ancient map
http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m69.htm
found in the Ural Mountains was a guide for the intelligent raptors that were the dominant species
http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/27jy2013.htm
on Earth millions of years ago. As we pointed out, this map showed irrigation lines.
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue359.htm
Now such an ancient irrigation system has shown up on Google Earth images in nearby Kazakhstan. This region has of course experienced upheaval, as the Eurasian Plate is being pulled apart and rumpling of the land is apparent. Where now a forest, this region was suitable for crops in the past, and the irrigation lines are visible only because the present day Kazakhstan has not plowed over them.
EOZT

Prior 6/15/2002 ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m69.htm
In that the Ural Mountains are on a solid old plate, always remaining above sea level, it is probable and likely that their shape would be the same over the eons, for Earth. Is this a true map, and who would have drawn this? It is indeed real, although the age is not quite as estimated but more recent. The map makers were not Homo Sapiens, or even hominoid. As we have stated, Homo Sapiens is not the first intelligent creature on Earth to be capable of forming souls. Prior to the dieoff of the dinosaurs, there was another race, reptilian, that had been engineered to this level. These reptilians were peers of man. What you might term their hands were dexterous, as are lizards on your Earth today. It was the handiwork of these creatures that was discovered.

Prior ZT: http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/27jy2013.htm
We explained, in prior ZetaTalk, that mankind was not the Earth’s FIRST intelligent species. An ancient map of the Ural Mountains showed that something was about, eons before mankind was genetically engineered into conscious intelligence. For artifacts to be found encased in coal, which takes a long time to form under the pressure of rock strata forced into a squeeze, proves their age. And multiple finds in different parts of the globe show this not to be a hoax. Combined with the ancient map, what do these finds tell us about this ancient race of lizards, which in appearance looked like raptors? They smelted metal, created mechanical devices, terra-formed their Earth with dammed rivers, and appreciated flowering vines. 

[Stanislav]

Hi Nancy and Zetas,

It seems that Trump is dissatisfied that the federal reserve raises the rate. Well, he has a reason. Any comments.

25 May, 2018. Deutsche: "Every Fed Tightening Cycle Creates A Crisis"

One of our favorite charts which certainly is worth 1,000 words or more, is the following from Bank of America Chief Investment Strategist Michael Hartnett, which shows that not only does every Fed tightening cycle end with a financial "event", a polite banker word for crash...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-24/deutsche-every-fed-tighte...

20 July, 2018. Dick Bove: Trump poised to take control of the Federal Reserve

President Trump sharply criticized the Federal Reserve this week, saying interest rate increases are hurting the economy.
Trump will have the opportunity to fashion the central bank in the image he would like as he has four vacancies to fill on the board of governors.
The result could be a more politicized Fed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/trump-poised-to-take-control-of-the...

27 Septmber, 2018. President Trump is 'not happy' with Fed's decision to raise interest rates

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/26/president-trump-is-not-happy-with-f...

26 Septmber, 2018. Powell calls key senators to back Trump Fed nominee Liang

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/26/powell-trump-fed-nominee-...

Thank you very much

[Nancy Lieder]

Declined. There will be many ups and downs, markets pumped up falsely before a expected plunge, banks claiming more or fewer deposits to position well, money laundering hidden - lies in other words - as the chaos of the End Times proceeds. What you would get from the Zetas is more lectures on getting on WITHOUT MONEY as paper money and bonds and supposed valuable items like Gold and Silver or art or jewels will lose their worth. People are frantic to learn how they should shuffle their funds, in order to survive this coming chaos or even prosper. I get reams of email begging for insight and the Zetas refuse to deal with this. It will be a never ending roller coaster until the Pole Shift, and we are not going to help people sort it out as  it lurches this way and that. The Zetas say, thus NO COMMENT. 

Stanislav said:

It seems that Trump is dissatisfied that the federal reserve raises the rate. Well, he has a reason. Any comments.

[Nancy Lieder]

I am searching for prior ZT on this interview as I recall it was done. Our standard response to anything anyone CLAIMS, whether an author, a channel, or in this case it is a story, is - can the claimant predict with accuracy as the Zetas do, and if not, then no comment from the Zetas. 

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta471.htm

There is a book out by Lawrence Spencer called Alien Interview. It is a transcript of the telepathic interview of the surviving alien from the 1947 Roswell crash. I have it as a free PDF download found at www.theparacast.com. It is 100s of pages, though I found it very convincing. The people who are "in the know" about alien contact from their time in the military are now getting very old and are coming out and releasing their stories. This is the case with this interview as the person involved was about to die. Interestingly I actually have met one of the people mentioned in the "story", an obscure "language expert" from the Navy who was bought in to help with the language problem. John Kneubel, who I met when I lived in Samoa in the 70s. Could the Zetas comment on this "story".

This is a true account and is not at odds with many statements we, the Zetas, have made. One ET survived the crash, and was in telepathic communication with humans who were receptive. More than one such human came to assist the military in charge of the surviving ET. Some information that was relayed during this telepathic interview included:

1. the reality of reincarnation,
2. that the body being incarnated is unaware of past lives unless the soul relays this information,
3. that souls incarnate into many different kinds of life-forms throughout the Universe, not merely into humans,
4. that Service-to-Others was a strong component in the lives of the aliens involved in the Roswell crash,
5. that Earth is subject at present to a mix of souls including those in the Service-to-Self, who are not restrained in their treatment of others, and thus the human in telepathic contact interpreted Earth to be a "prison planet", which it is not. It is a mixed setting planet.

What should be born in mind is that the human interpretation of the conversation always colors, to some extent, the information being relayed. This is why Nancy insists on being "on the same page" and knowing what the subject is about before relaying our answers. If she misunderstands, the answer might be skewed.

 

Torsten Greifenstein said:

here is an very interesting Link with the Notes of Mrs. Macelroy, who did the Interviews with EBE ( Airl) after the Rosswell Crash. 

[Stanislav]

Hi Nancy and Zetas,

Could the Zetas tell what triggered that unexpected tsunami? The authorities canceled the tsunami threat because of a lack of data in that area. Scientists also point out that the wave is too high for this type of earthquake (slip-strike). Yea, and in general the tsunami for this type of earthquake is rare. Example in 2012 when there was an earthquake (slip-strike) in Sumatra and there was no tsunami.

What is it about an earthquake that causes a tsunami?

Although earthquake magnitude is one factor that affects tsunami generation, there are other important factors to consider. The earthquake must be a shallow marine event that displaces the seafloor. Thrust earthquakes (as opposed to strike slip) are far more likely to generate tsunamis, but small tsunamis have occurred in a few cases from large (i.e., > M8) strike-slip earthquakes.

https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-it-about-earthquake-causes-a-tsunami...

29 September, 2018. Indonesia tsunami sensors missed huge waves: Official

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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2018/09/29/indonesia-tsunami-...

The geophysics agency (BMKG) faced criticism on Saturday on social media, with many questioning if the tsunami warning was lifted too soon. The agency said it followed standard operating procedure and made the call to "end" the warning based on data available from the closest tidal sensor, around 200km from Palu.

"We have no observation data at Palu. So we had to use the data we had and make a call based on that," said Rahmat Triyono, head of the earthquakes and tsunami centre at BMKG. He said the closest tide gauge, which measures changes in sea level, only recorded an "insignificant", 6cm wave and did not account for the giant waves near Palu.

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Baptiste Gombert, a geophysics researcher at University of Oxford, said it was "surprising" the quake had generated a tsunami.

Friday's quake was recorded as a "strike-slip" event where neighbouring tectonic plates move horizontally against each other, rather than vertically, which is what usually generates a tsunami. "There is some speculation that there was a landslide under the sea which displaced a lot of water and caused the tsunami,"he said, adding the narrow bay may have concentrated the force of the waves as they moved toward the shore.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-tsunami-sensors...

28 September, 2018. Indonesia's Surprise Tsunami, Explained

Scientists were surprised by the ensuing tsunami, which resulted in conflicting warning messages. But experts suggest that the area's unique geology could be to blame for the unusual progression of the disaster.

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Tsunamis typically are the result of the abrupt motion of large submarine earthquakes at tectonic plate boundaries. And earthquakes are not uncommon in Indonesia; the island chain sits within what's known as the Ring of Fire, a curving horseshoe-shaped chain of tectonic plate boundaries that hugs the Pacific basin. It is home to around 90 percent of the world's earthquakes.

But the monster waves were unexpected for this particular quake.

The 7.5-magnitude earthquake appears to be the result of what's known as a strike-slip fault, which takes place as two blocks of crust grind against one another, largely in a horizontal direction. Tsunamis more commonly follow vertical movement in the crust, which disrupts the overlying water and can generate massive waves crashing onshore.

“It is definitely a surprise,” says Baptiste Gombert, a geophysicist at the University of Oxford. He notes that Indonesia's geology is highly complex. A spidery web of different types of faults cut through the region, so teasing out exactly what happened is a challenge. But preliminary results hint at a few possibilities.

The tsunami might be the result of some vertical movement along the fault, Gombert says. But he finds it unlikely this could entirely explain such high waves—some preliminary models estimate waves as tall as 16 feet. “Even if there was a little vertical displacement, this is a pretty big tsunami,” he says. It's likely landslides—either submarine or from the shores—also disturbed the bay waters, causing the wave.

The bounds of the bay itself may have also been an issue, notes Janine Krippner, a volcanologist at Concord University. “That can amplify wave height as it channels water into a smaller area,” she writes via Twitter message. But she emphasizes that there is still a lot of uncertainty surrounding today's events.

Indonesian agencies are directing locals to remain aware of continued dangers. “People are encouraged to remain vigilant,” said disaster agency spokesman Sutopo Purwo Nugroho, the AP reports. “It is better not to be in a house or building because the potential for aftershocks can be dangerous. People are encouraged to gather in safe areas. Avoid the slopes of hills.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/09/indonesia-ts...

Thank you very much

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted. The quake and tsunami were right in the middle of the Sunda platelet, very odd. 

Stanislav said:

Could the Zetas tell what triggered that unexpected tsunami?

The authorities canceled the tsunami threat because of a lack of data in that area. Scientists also point out that the wave is too high for this type of earthquake (slip-strike). Yea, and in general the tsunami for this type of earthquake is rare. Example in 2012 when there was an earthquake (slip-strike) in Sumatra and there was no tsunami.
[and from another]
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-it-about-earthquake-causes-a-tsunami...
The earthquake must be a shallow marine event that displaces the seafloor. Thrust earthquakes (as opposed to strike slip) are far more likely to generate tsunamis.
[and from another]
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2018/09/29/indonesia-tsunami-...
29 September, 2018. Indonesia tsunami sensors missed huge waves. The closest tide gauge, which measures changes in sea level, only recorded an "insignificant", 6cm wave and did not account for the giant waves near Palu.
[and from another]
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-tsunami-sensors...
Friday's quake was recorded as a "strike-slip" event where neighbouring tectonic plates move horizontally against each other, rather than vertically, which is what usually generates a tsunami. "There is some speculation that there was a landslide under the sea which displaced a lot of water and caused the tsunami," he said, adding the narrow bay may have concentrated the force of the waves as they moved toward the shore.
[and from another]
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/09/indonesia-ts...
28 September, 2018. Indonesia's Surprise Tsunami, Explained.
The 7.5-magnitude earthquake appears to be the result of what's known as a strike-slip fault, which takes place as two blocks of crust grind against one another, largely in a horizontal direction. Tsunamis more commonly follow vertical movement in the crust, which disrupts the overlying water and can generate massive waves crashing onshore.

SOZT
The Sunda Platelet, that portion of the Eurasian Plate that holds Indonesia and snuggles down into the curve of the Indo-Australian Plate, is under great pressure. The great Pacific is pushing in from the East. The Indo-Australian Plate is tilting in the West, and in all of this the Sunda Platelet is the loser. Geologists are accustomed to looking at the Sunda dynamics as though this were a static situation, not part of the 7 of 10 plate movements we have described and predicted. Thus what looks like broad, stable, and flat ocean bottoms are assumed to continue. They do not.

Compression will take the path of least resistance. We have described thin places in a crust as being shown by river bottoms, as the thin crust sags and thus water pools and flows at the lowest elevation. These dynamics can be seen underwater also. Note that on the Sunda Platelet there are regions where the Banda Sea and Celebes Sea show deep water, with a compression ridge in the Arafura Sea where the ocean floor is being pushed down. Palu experienced tsunami because the water was DEEP there, due to thin crust in the bay. This caused tidal bore in the narrowing bay.
EOZT

[Nancy Lieder]

As is our usual practice, we are closing out this September chat and opening the Q&A for October. Please post your questions there. 

http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-october-31...