Nibiru's impossible orbit....are you sure?


Shortly after the ZetaTalk saga began, with the Zeta description of the orbit of Planet X (aka Nibiru, aka Sitchin’s 12th Planet) as a sling orbit between our Sun and its dark, unlit, companion some 18.74 Sun-Pluto lengths away, astronomers began searching in earnest for evidence of such wandering planets caught between binary stars.

ZetaTalk Explanation 7/15/1995:
The periodic Earth cataclysms caused by the 12th Planet have been in place for eons, since the Earth was cold and without life, coming out of what some Earthlings refer to as the big bang. The orbit of the 12th Planet is long and narrow. There is a balance between the attraction of your Sun and another, unseen by you but nevertheless present and in force. The 12th Planet travels interminably between these two forces, not able to settle on an orbit around just one because of the momentum and path it originally took.

ZetaTalk Description 2001:
This unlit binary sun lies some 18.74 times the distance from your Sun to Pluto, at a 11 degree angle from the ecliptic, in the direction of the constellation of Orion.

Previously, such a concept had been ridiculed, and considered impossible by human scientists. Suddenly, the theory got adopted by human scientists and the ridicule stopped. Once again, ZetaTalk (and Star Wars with the binary stars for Tatoine) leads the way.  Per the Zetas, this is a back handed admission that ZetaTalk has been right all along.


ZetaTalk Comment 1/12/2013:
At the start of the ZetaTalk saga, astronomers claimed that a wandering planet was not theoretically possible, nor were they known. Within two years after ZetaTalk described the process, a sling orbit flinging past both suns in a binary system, astronomers had discovered evidence of such a slinging planet. Now they proudly proclaim their discoveries, with nary a mention of ZetaTalk insights they relied upon. Such borrowing of ZetaTalk scientific concepts to fine-tune scientific exploration is quite common, and unfortunately, arrogant man refusing to give credit where credit is due is also quite common.

Now they have also admitted that the sling orbit described in ZetaTalk, or the long oval assumed by Sitchin, is also possible. Following article including Nasa credited pictures debunks that old 'Nibiru's impossible orbit' lie. Note the prior line, ridiculing any but a circular or oval orbit for planets, and the article's stance.


Claims about Nibiru's impossible orbit :

1: from 2012 hoax
Nibiru's proposed orbit would be highly elliptical. So highly elliptical that it is for all intents and purposes a straight line, out and back. We know this because a simple mathematical relationship exists between the period and the length of the semi-major axis of the ellipse.

2: from Yahoo answers
It is the gravity of the Sun that keeps planets in orbit. However, as shown by Kepler and by Newton, the orbit is an ellipse (a squished circle).  The orbit that was given to the fictitious planet Nibiru is a very eccentric ellipse where one end of the orbit is very close to the Sun and the other end is very far away.
In our solar system, there are comets with orbits like that. But comets are smaller, much smaller than planets. If our system ahd a real planet on such an orbit, the inner planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars) would not be able to stay on circular orbits -- the system would have been disrupted billions of years ago. The guy who invented Nibiru (in the 1960s) was not an astronomer. He simply wanted to have a planet that came close to Earth every 3700 years, so he invented it with a very eccentric orbit (an orbit like that of a comet). According to his story, Nibiru was not coming back before the year 2085.


And now, the admission!

'Zombie' Planet's Rogue Orbit Around Star Shocks Scientists

Following diagram shows the orbit of the exoplanet Fomalhaut b as calculated from recent Hubble Space Telescope observations. The planet follows a highly elliptical orbit that carries it across a wide belt of debris encircling the bright star Fomalhaut. Fomalhaut b's path, scientists say, sends the planet crashing through the surrounding debris disk during its 2,000-year orbit around its parent star.

The planet Fomalhaut b appears to approach with 4.6 billion miles (7.4 billion km) of its star at the closest point in its orbit, then swing way out to a point about 27 billion miles (43.4 billion km) away at the farthest point. Scientists call the extremes of such a planet’s path a highly eccentric orbit.

"We are shocked. This is not what we expected," said study leader Paul Kalas, an astronomer with the University of California at Berkeley and the SETI Institute in Mountain View, Calif., in a statement Tuesday (Jan. 8).

Newly released NASA Hubble Space Telescope images of a vast debris disk encircling the nearby star Fomalhaut and a mysterious planet circling it may provide forensic evidence of a titanic planetary disruption in the system.

Astronomers are surprised to find the debris belt is wider than previously known, spanning a section of space from 14 to nearly 20 billion miles from the star. Even more surprisingly, the latest Hubble images have allowed a team of astronomers to calculate the planet follows an unusual elliptical orbit that carries it on a potentially destructive path through the vast dust ring.

Rogue Planetary Orbit for Fomalhaut b: This false-color composite image, taken with the Hubble Space Telescope, reveals the orbital motion of the planet Fomalhaut b. Based on these observations, astronomers calculated that the planet is in a 2,000-year-long, highly elliptical orbit. The planet will appear to cross a vast belt of debris around the star roughly 20 years from now. If the planet’s orbit lies in the same plane with the belt, icy and rocky debris in the belt could crash into the planet’s atmosphere and produce various phenomena. The black circle at the center of the image blocks out the light from the bright star, allowing reflected light from the belt and planet to be photographed. The Hubble images were taken with the Space Telescope Imaging Spectrograph in 2010 and 2012.

The planet, called Fomalhaut b, swings as close to its star as 4.6 billion miles, and the outermost point of its orbit is 27 billion miles away from the star. The orbit was recalculated from the newest Hubble observation made last year.

“We are shocked. This is not what we expected,” said Paul Kalas of the University of California at Berkeley and the SETI Institute in Mountain View, Calif.

The Fomalhaut team led by Kalas considers this circumstantial evidence there may be other planet-like bodies in the system that gravitationally disturbed Fomalhaut b to place it in such a highly eccentric orbit. The team presented its finding Tuesday at the 221st meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Long Beach, Calif.

Among several scenarios to explain Fomalhaut b’s 2,000-year-long orbit is the hypothesis that an as yet undiscovered planet gravitationally ejected Fomalhaut b from a position closer to the star, and sent it flying in an orbit that extends beyond the dust belt.

“Hot Jupiters get tossed through scattering events, where one planet goes in and one gets thrown out,” said co-investigator Mark Clampin of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. “This could be the planet that gets thrown out.”

Hubble also found the dust and ice belt encircling the star Fomalhaut has an apparent gap slicing across the belt. This might have been carved by another undetected planet. Hubble’s exquisite view of the dust belt shows irregularities that strongly motivate a search for other planets in the system.

If its orbit lies in the same plane with the dust belt, then Fomalhaut b will intersect the belt around 2032 on the outbound leg of its orbit. During the crossing, icy and rocky debris in the belt could crash into the planet’s atmosphere and create the type of cosmic fireworks seen when Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 crashed into Jupiter. Most of the fireworks from collisions will be seen in infrared light. However, if Fomalhaut b is not co-planar with the belt, the only thing to be seen will be a gradual dimming of Fomalhaut b as it travels farther from the star.

Kalas hypothesized that Fomalhaut b’s extreme orbit is a major clue in explaining why the planet is unusually bright in visible light, but very dim in infrared light. It is possible the planet’s optical brightness originates from a ring or shroud of dust around the planet, which reflects starlight. The dust would be rapidly produced by satellites orbiting the planet, which would suffer extreme erosion by impacts and gravitational stirring when Fomalhaut b enters into the planetary system after a millennium of deep freeze beyond the main belt. An analogy can be found by looking at Saturn, which has a tenuous, but very large dust ring produced when meteoroids hit the outer moon Phoebe.

The team has also considered a different scenario where a hypothetical second dwarf planet suffered a catastrophic collision with Fomalhaut b. The collision scenario would explain why the star Fomalhaut has a narrow outer belt linked to an extreme planet. But in this case the belt is young, less than 10,000 years old, and it is difficult to produce energetic collisions far from the star in such young systems.

Fomalhaut is a special system because it looks like scientists may have a snapshot of what our solar system was doing 4 billion years ago. The planetary architecture is being redrawn, the comet belts are evolving, and planets may be gaining and losing their moons. Astronomers will continue monitoring Fomalhaut b for decades to come because they may have a chance to observe a planet entering an icy debris belt that is like the Kuiper Belt at the fringe of our own solar system.

Image credits: Nasa, ESA, P. Kalas (University of California, Berkeley), A. Feild & Z.Levay (STScl)

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