links here and see if that helps, if not, see if you can maybe rephrase... The gloom opacity will also be dependent on WHERE you are, see...
http://poleshift.ning.com/main/search/search?q=aftertime+volcanic+gloom
randy said:
Hi I would like to receive your feedback on this clip about the recent icelandic eruption.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13490706
In terms of the the opacity/transparency of the atmosphere, at about what period of the clip do you think is the after-time's atmoshphere most likely to resemble?
I know there will be the issue of the constant drizzle, and a lower humid/foggy atmosphere. But what i am concerned here is about how much light gets through to the ground.....
thanks.
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consistently dealt me Kojima´s "Extracts" (which I have gladly gone through once more :-) + a futuristic piece by Recall, mentioning Norway and Sweden as suffering heavily from volcanic gloom in the Aftertime..
I´m really not so sure, how things will pan out.... Actually, during the Eyjafjällajökull eruption in April, the ususal/normal winds took the ash FIRSTLY to the UK - and then only later from there to here - + as far as I recall, even northern Norway had open airports long after most others had closed down...
So it´s a question of deducing here... not my bright side, altogether, when it comes to stuff like this, I´m afraid...
So, I´ve been studying and studying "Mike´s modified globe" in Kojima´s animated version (http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/mikes-modified-globe) and of course the New Geography MAP, but I just don´t find a lot to indicate that the Coriolis isn´t going to blow incoming ash AWAY from Scandinavia again..
Educate me, please, on this one... Someone ?!?
-- malou…
cted. Malou (Marie Louise) Geleff said:
:-) ok, my turn..
I´ve been trying to figure out HOW volcanic ash from the Iceland volcanos would impact Scandinavia in the Aftertime - but have sofar come up with - zilch..
Search engines have consistently dealt me Kojima´s "Extracts" (which I have gladly gone through once more :-) + a futuristic piece by Recall, mentioning Norway and Sweden as suffering heavily from volcanic gloom in the Aftertime..
I´m really not so sure, how things will pan out.... Actually, during the Eyjafjällajökull eruption in April, the ususal/normal winds took the ash FIRSTLY to the UK - and then only later from there to here - + as far as I recall, even northern Norway had open airports long after most others had closed down...
So it´s a question of deducing here... not my bright side, altogether, when it comes to stuff like this, I´m afraid...
So, I´ve been studying and studying "Mike´s modified globe" in Kojima´s animated version (http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/mikes-modified-globe) and of course the New Geography MAP, but I just don´t find a lot to indicate that the Coriolis isn´t going to blow incoming ash AWAY from Scandinavia again..
Educate me, please, on this one... Someone ?!?
-- malou
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to consistently observe these movements for many years. Therefore, any precise timekeeping will have to rely on diligent observation, recording and maintanence of timekeeping devices. And should these devices fail, what then?
Timekeeping will consist of counting the cycles of the only observable movement: nighttime darkness into the twilight of daytime and then back into darkness.T said:
I am concerned about determining a new calendar. Earth may have shorter on longer days than now (24 hours) and perhaps more or less days per year.
Watches can help determine the number of minutes per day, but a celestial observatory will be needed to figure out how many days per year there are. WAAAAY out of my league here.
Any ideas?
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not have visited ZT for a while. While its a tad too long, it covers all grounds.
Immediate aftertime climate: Previous climate... will only be extreme where ice packs linger or the ground is deeply frozen. Elsewhere warming or cooling to temperatures appropriate to the new longitude occur within days. Placement on the day or night side of the Earth...effect dissipates within days...Dust filled clouds are low to the ground, and create a constant gloom. Rain occurs almost continuously. Where sunlight cannot penetrate and seldom manages to peek through this dense cloud cover. http://zetatalk.com/poleshft/p58.htm[Pre-poleshift climate's] influence is unlikely to last thus, for more than a week or two, with pockets of lingering heat or cold in the ground, not the air. Thus, the climate change should be assumed to be the target climate, not the climate being left behind. http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x29.htmNote:The earth will resume its august/september position. Given that much of the first months will have precipitation heavy with ash, after 4 months it is plausible that parts of the southern hemisphere not downwind from volcanoes may find weeds struggling through.Survival Plan:Humans of good heart concerned with survival through the cataclysms are advised to...Put your money into land and stable structures, documentation on the technologies and scientific knowledge of today, and apparatus with which to grow hydroponic vegetables and tanks for fish and crustaceans on the nutrients from recycled sewage. http://zetatalk.com/poleshft/p16.htm We advise thinking about Third World conditions and adaptations...This is where humans fail the most in planning for the shift, and life afterwards. They think of their life now, and come down from that. They should start with life with nothing, but bugs and sucking dirty water up from the ground with their hands. No clothes. No heat. Nothing. Then add what is needed most, and first. http://zetatalk.com/poleshft/p135.htmyou should anticipate failure in restarting your gardens and herds and flocks. The best plan is a broad plan, so that a failure does not devastate. http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p168.htm The skies clear first where this dust is in the high altitudes, not in the wind-drift from fresh ash just raised. 5 years after the shift, even 2 years after the shift, some sporadic sunlight will warm the Earth... 10 years after the shift, many parts of the globe will consider themselves back to normal, although their memory will be failing them in this regard. ..
Edibility and availability of native weeds depends upon the location, entirely. In some parts of the world, life will virtually close down. This is near volcanoes, under the drifting ash, or where polar cold descends. In other parts of the world, there will within two years be abundant grasses or weeds. In areas not in the path of volcanic ash, but affected by the overall gloom, one might estimate a 50% reduction in sunlight and crop success. For instance, if a crop needed strong sunlight to flourish, it might barely get to producing seed before the season ends. In nature, this would reproduce the weed, but for crops, it would not be a return. Survivors will soon find what crops manage to give a return, and what not! Another factor is rot, the moisture level, which will be extreme. Mold will be everywhere, dampness, bugs, and those crops that tolerate damp conditions coming through, others failing utterly. Root crops, where they provide a survivor in the evolution chain due to the energy in these roots or tubers, do not do well enough after a pole shift due to the wet ground and mold about.http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p02.htmThe comeback after a cataclysm is not, in the main, from domesticated plants and animals, although some dedicated farmers will bring their breeding pairs and seed stock through.The comeback is from wilderness areas, from sturdy roots that keep on trying and scattered seed that keeps on sprouting. In the meantime, humans starve.http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p09.htmDepending upon where one is, downwind from volcanoes, the ash will poison the water and soil. This tends to be the immediate effect after a violent burping, not a lingering effect. However, since violent burping will occur big time during the shift, all ash afterwards will carry poisons. Thus, until the rains wash this away, some months at best, drinking water should be distilled. Ground water may carry these poisons for a longer time, depending upon how close to the surface this is, the flow patters, etc. Water in lakes and oceans dilutes, where ground water stagnates. Fish likewise have an ability to exclude lead, though do absorb other heavy metals such as Mercury. http://zetatalk.com/poleshft/p145.htm
We would suggest that those intent on surviving analyze their target climate, including likely rainfall and volcanic gloom, and plan accordingly. Store seeds and livestock or fish for the target climate! Take a hand in establishing new fauna and domesticated animals. This would include weeds, as they are often hardy, with domesticated crops being bred for high produce, not hardiness. Weeds may not be welcomed now, in fact excluded or prohibited, but in the Aftertime be the most likely produce. Thus, think of the target, and see how well your local food sources will do. If well, then you are fortunate, if not, then aggressively plan for the target. Take responsibility for your survival, your Aftertime living, and no apologies! http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x15.htm
Those in the suburbs... that fat so much desired to be shed will be used just to keep the body going for many months...Eventually, suburban families will need to learn to forage, turning over logs in the woods to look for grubs and worms, and attempting to fish...Survival in the suburbs, or growing food, will become a foraging practice by those able.
[In the countryside], chickens eat bugs, forage for themselves, and come home to lay their eggs if given a safe and private roost. Ducks likewise eat whatever grows in or around ponds, which will be numerous in the drizzle, and don't require a dry spot to roost. Goats, which eat anything, and pigs which root in the ground for whatever might be edible, can likewise be kept within limits if the surrounding country can sustain them. Some vegetation will struggle along, weeds which are hardy, and plants that grow in the gloom or dim light normally. If the group had not researched and anticipated this environment, but find themselves without seed or seedlings for dim light gardens, then they will be chewing on weeds for an alternative to grubs and whatever they can catch to roast over a small evening fire.If a particular weed grows well, proves to be edible, the farmer will husband this, grow it, protect it from wildlife, and sell it.
Coastal survivors will have access to harvest from the oceans...Inland, fish in the native ponds and riverways will likewise survive, but not in numbers greater than the environment can sustain. What do these fish eat? Algae, duck weed, bugs that live on slime in the waterways. All this is dependent somewhat on sunlight, as the base is vegetation in the waterways. Thus, native fish may actually be in reduced numbers if in gloomy areas, and be considered a prize when caught. For those farmers turning to aquaculture, where plants can be grown in human sewage, and then fed to the fish or livestock, this will prove to be a renewable resource that adds to the food banks. Here again, the key is light, as to turn sewage into food, one needs plants that require at least some light. http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x03.htmWater distillation:Water, from all sources, may be poisoned, with the old standby, rainwater, failing to provide potable water... Distillation processes or recycling water known to be pure are two approaches likely to provide a steady supply of water. This may seem tedious to those so used to taking fresh, pure water for granted, but those who prepare for the times ahead will not find themselves suddenly without one of life's necessities... Our advise on distilling water to remove heavy metals such as lead presumes that volcanic ash will be falling, be included in the rain or fog, and accumulate on the ground. There are several factors to consider. First, the land may be at a site where little rain falls, outside of the volcanic drift, high so that most heavy ash has dropped before arriving, and have little problem with this. Second, heavy rainfall may outweigh the lead content, wash this way in good runoff, such that there is scarcely any accumulation or it is so diluted as to be negligible. Third, the land may be directly in volcanic ash path, from a volcano that lasts for centuries after the shift, and be unlivable for far longer than the 25 years we have given as a guide. Thus, there is simply no general statements about when ground or rain water will be OK. One must use their judgment about such matter. http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p50.htm Rivers of course will sustain other pollution, as chemical tanks will burst and drain into nearby rivers. We have stated that drinking water should be distilled, and this continues to be our recommendation regardless of the source of the waterhttp://zetatalk.com/index/zeta573.htm Thus, clouds being low, is like continuous fog, and fog settles out in the form of rain, or drizzle, upon any slight temperature change. If the land is downwind from a large water source, like a lake or ocean, then certainly there will be fog, and drizzle, until the atmosphere rebuild. If the land is high, inland, away from air passing over water and then over land where there are temperature changes, then no drizzle, and perhaps even dry air. This water can be used for drinking, and harvesting the fog is a recommended way of gaining drinking water. Fog harvests are done by placing material that causes condensation, which then drips down the material, perhaps a sheet, into buckets. http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x15.htmNote: Where fog harvestation has been recommended, it is assumed that the rain wont look like this--
Aftertime Nutrition: Those who have prepared by establishing intensive indoor gardening such as Hydroponics and the most protein efficient animal husbandry, Fish tanks and ponds, will find themselves ... subsisting well. Such arrangements require indoor lighting. Hydroponics can be grown around the clock and fish eat either this produce or water plants that feed off the community's Sewage Effluent, but the base of this food chain is the hydroponic vegetation. For plants, light is life, for without it plants die. Such indoor farming, in place prior to the cataclysms, should not rely on lighting from either the Sun or the utility companies. Both will in essence go out during the decades immediately following the cataclysms. Power for indoor lighting should rely on harnessing wind, or water flows, or other such mechanical generation that can be counted upon to be present after the cataclysms.Food stuffs that can be grown without artificial light and will do quite nicely on the gloomy light supplied by the Sun are mushrooms, earthworms, and various insects that feed on dead tissue. After the cataclysms bugs will be in abundance, as dead tissue from both plants and animals is everywhere. This trend can be taken advantage of, as distasteful as that concept might be to humans who have never eaten a bug. Larva, grown in humus, can be turned into pureed and creamed soups, puddings, or omelets by skilled cooks. Those eating the fare would never guess that the base was not cream, milk, and eggs. For those humans who do not prepare, they will find themselves Eating Bugs in any case, as meals from what they can catch or find growing will be few and far between. http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p28.htmThose who survive learn to eat everything, including bugs. Bugs are numerous, growing in great numbers in the humidity, and living off the tissue from the dead, which seems to be everywhere. http://zetatalk.com/poleshft/p04.htmWater based farming should be considered by survival groups at least to the extent that land based gardening is. To the degree that an inland lake is free from volcanic ash, is not dumped excessively so that the water becomes poisoned, and to the degree that the land is under intense sunlight, equatorial preferably, it will flourish http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p140.htmWater retains warmth, and algae grows in abundance in places land based plants cannot tolerate. Thus, this resource should be explored, and explored thoroughly, prior to the shift, as a real survival technique. Relying on wildlife, hunting, will prove disappointing as wildlife will soon diminish to the point of no results... Those looking to crops will find this is not the way to go, in the immediate aftertime. As we repeatedly mention, fishing is a good source of protein, as are bugs, and plants should be the minimal part of your diet. Humans are used to just the opposite. So this is a mind set adjustment. A bit of salad, something with high Vitamin C, but use this almost as a garnish http://zetatalk.com/poleshft/p145.htm Life in large lakes, as well as oceans, will fare far better than land based life after the shift. http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p18.htmfish tanks fed from algae grown in human sewage will likewise be most abundant. http://zetatalk.com/poleshft/p19.htmNotes: For those who find themselves prepared and unprepared the possibility of having to eat bugs and cultivate them must be considered. The last thing you would want, is to anticipate being well prepared with dependants and see your livestock not come through. What then?Edible weeds may not show up for weeks after, as the weather will still be changing and the heavier ash in the air will be precipitating in some fashion like this ---
When we think of our food chain, we think of vegetation as the base. Perhaps foraging wild edibles and likewise. In my humble opinion this is not the efficient route to go in the immediate aftertime. Use decaying matter as the base for your diet and livestock (where possible). This theme has been repeated over and over throughout zetatalk.Mushrooms, and worms. Worms can sustain chicken and fish. According to ZT, within 2 years, some places will have abundant grass--meaning most places should at the very least be getting some weeds to pop up during summer. This would be a good time to cultivate duckweed in nearby ponds. …
e shift as presented by us, is to think that the better option is to go out with the tidal waves, go down under quake debris, or be blown against a wall by high winds and have it all over with quickly. We present a scenario of stuggle to survive in the first place, with travel and terror and living a dual life of uncertainty due to the establishment cover-up.
"Getting past that as a short term problem, the larger problem looms like a dark cloud. Life in the Aftertime is fraught with dying forests, lack of livestock or flocks or wildlife to eat, and gardens that will not flourish. Add to this the description of a Mad Max world, where a set of laws and a governing body will be nonexistent or turned toward self-service, marauding gangs and the need to live forever in a low-profile mode to survive.
"Then the time frame of a 25 years volcanic gloom, with climate change requiring vegetation to adjust as well as try to re-grow, and it seems a LONG way off before one can sit on the poarch in the evening, enjoying the evening. Those with children despair that they will be educated, will live to adulthood without health problems besetting them, rotting teeth, painful disease, only to find they are bearing offspring into a world that is a nightmare.
"Those in poor health envision that they will become a burden on others, fear this will occur in slow steps so they will be unaware of it, perhaps senile or comatose due to starvation, and unable to control their life at all. Thus, there are HUGE worries to anyone taking the message semi-seriously, and the first though is that this is a nightmare to be avoided. So, given this perspective, what IS there to live for?
"Those strongly in the STO have no problem with this scenario, as they quickly sort out what life for OTHERS will be, and make their decisions accordingly. This is no different than what they experience during everyday today. They may be told they have cancer, but consider who is dependent upon them and plot their life accordingly. They may be told someone in the family or a neighbor is going to fall on hard times, and adjust their own lifestyle downward to take them in and share what they have. They may be told someone nearby has defaulted on their responsibilities, and step in without hesitation to fill the gap, being a father to fatherless children or whatever. Thus, those strongly STO would not be likely to utter a phrase such as "why live?" as they KNOW why troubled times in particular REQUIRE one to be there for others.
"Those strongly STS sort this out in a similar manner, but in the other direction. As with their everyday decisions, they look over the situation to see how it might be taken advantage of for their own pleasure or power position.Since victims can be presented at any time, they assume MANY victims and looting and plungering and savaging potential galore in a post pole shift situation. Thus, those highly STS will also not be likely to say "why live?" as they are licking their chops and rubbing their hands together.
"The undecided are the ones likely to make the statement, "why live?" as they do not polarize in either direction, but rather think of their OWN life, and how they interact on a daily basis with other, or what they have come to expect as their daily fare. The focus is the self, but as a child focuses on the self. How will this affect ME, what will I do when presented with this or that without the resources I've come to expect will be available to ME. The immature spirit pushes the post pole shift scenario out only so far, to the edges of the cocoon they see their life as, and see this cocoon NOT THERE. The job will be gone, friends and family may die or wander off, the store shelves empty, the government offices simply not staffed, and whom do they go to with their complaints? Thus, it is the immature, the undecided, who will present leaders in the Aftertime with motivation problems."Vasin Alexandex said:
According to zeta Humanity will die out in 100 years after PS. Sorry for asking that type of question, but if so - what’s the point to survive PS?
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y the constant drizzle + volcanic gloom expected right after PS.
I suggest for gardening you take a look at Gérard´s blog : "Aftertime Gardening" : http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3863141%3ABlogPost%3A505290&commentId=3863141%3AComment%3A506553
and also the group "Surviving the Earth Changes and..." has a lexicographic section of various topics related to what to grow and how to go about it with a minimum of tools...here´s an overview of some useful topics : http://poleshift.ning.com/group/surviving/forum?
http://poleshift.ning.com/group/surviving/forum/topics/what-goes-into-a-survival-kit?commentId=3863141%3AComment%3A356629&groupId=3863141%3AGroup%3A13863
and http://poleshift.ning.com/group/surviving/forum/topics/exhaustive-summary-list-of are recommended.. Steve updates his blog every month..
Lothar hosted this useful blog last summer : http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3863141%3ABlogPost%3A167925&commentId=3863141%3AComment%3A185444
and presently, there´s many useful comments on Howard´s http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/electrical-power-in-the
for the rest of your questions, I´ll refer you to try some of the links that Nancy offers every day on her constant ZTchat blog, you should read her INTRO and use the links from there, particularly "Aftertime", and also you could peruse the www.zetatalk2.com website and - just as importantly - get going on the SEARCH ENGINES which are provided for our convenience both here on the Ning and on ZT..
this however should get you started...
:-)
best from malou
Helena Mader said:
Hello, I am Helena Mader from Brazil, living about 20 km from Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais, at an altitude of about 1000 m. I have many questions, some of which may have been answered before, but I have not been able to find them on the site. We have three daughters and four grandchildren, and live in a gated community with lots of a size which allow quite a bit of planting. We already have many fruit trees, including banana trees, and lots of manioc root ready to harvest and more planted. We have a 120 m deep artesian well and have bought a gasoline generator to provide us with some power at least, as long as the gasoline we are going to store lasts. We do not have winds strong or sustained enough to power a wind generator - now. So, among my many questions are: does anyone have any idea of how long it will take for our region to become very cold? Does anyone have any idea of whether our tropical plants (including the fruit trees and the manioc root) would survive with a constant cloud cover and increasingly lower temperatures? If the prognosis is not good, what should we plant then? We are all for buying and saving seeds, but would like suggestions as to which ones. If it is going to rain in a relatively constant manner for years after the pole shift, we should not have to worry about a water supply as long as we distill the water, right? Is there a forecast of steady winds in the aftertime in our region? If so, we should perhaps get a wind generator after all. What are you people buying in terms of food and natural remedy supplies? Is there a list somewhere of suggestions and shared recommendations? For example, here we can buy blocks of raw brown sugar, we can buy a great variety of dried leaves and roots for a series of medical conditions, and so forth. What sort of equipment should there be in a more complete medical emergency kit? How long should it take before we get severely cold weather? There is no game here to speak of and no fish in local streams. Are you people figuring on feeding family members and how many potential new "community" members? And for how many months are you planning on stocking up ? Is buying a motor scooter a good idea? Uses very little gasoline and would provide some mobility. We are raising tilapia and carp in an old swimming pool, and also have some chickens and are planning to get some goats this month. This is a lot of questions, I know, but I would really appreciate getting some pointers from all of you out there. Thanks!!!
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f Planet X came into the vicinity in 2003 - Moon and Sun halos, neon clouds, manna found on the ground in the SW United States, and of course occasional red dust on patio furniture or cars. The chemicals in the tail have also caused human illness - nausea, dizziness, and irregular menstrual cycles in women. The tail has petrochemicals in it, which are the basis for the oil deposits on Earth. These chemicals were gathered in the Asteroid Belt when it was pelted to pieces in the past, as the planets in that belt were water planets and bore life. Out in space, these biological elements cannot rot, as bacteria cannot live in the cold of space or without oxygen. This glop is another form of these chemicals dropping to the ground - not oil, but not water soluble either.
ZetaTalk about how the red dust won’t hurt you and how it will incite plant growth in the oceans ( google iron and plants, you will see that plants need iron)
http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/02jy2011.htm
Will the poisoned air with red dust?
The charged red dust in the tail of Planet X is iron oxide. When accumulating in ponds and rivers, it kills the fish, and make the water bitter to drink. Beyond this aspect, it is not poisonous, as man and land animals will not drink sufficient quantities of the water to affect their health.
http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/20no2010.htm
What would you respond to the statement that after the PS the vegetation will die almost everywhere and there will be no food for animals that future agriculture would based on? (Fishing is irrelevant at this point.) Another point to make it clear is the darkness that the Zetas forecast for a long period (a couple of decades). Will such conditions be acceptable for any terrestrial animal life at all? The food chains on the ground will be desperately broken... The Sun is known to be a sole life-giver here on the Earth. And what about pollution of soil and water by the red dust, heavy metals, and radioactive isotopes? Some people including me would like to get a clarification on the above
The first reaction of those hearing that the Earth will have her volcanoes burping and spewing ash is to assume what is termed a "nuclear winter" - the end of life on Earth due to lack of sunlight and cold. The food chain starts with vegetation and vegetation needs sunlight to grow. We have stated that all volcanoes active within the past 10,000 years should be assumed to react during the pole shift. How could it, then, not be a nuclear winter? This is the first reaction, but should not be the ultimate conclusion of anyone who thinks things through. Do you only think of one thing at a time, and not see the whole picture? Pole shifts have happened to the Earth regularly, for countless times, and each time the volcanoes react and life is gloomy afterwards. The last pole shift, during the Jewish Exodus, had Moses wandering in the "Valley of the Shadow of Death" for 40 years, because he was downwind of the large volcanic eruption at Thera. Yet Moses and his people survived! Then look around you at the current rich vegetation that exists on Earth today! Did this all evolve just since the days of Moses? Did all life die out during the time of Moses? Yes, extinction happens for those species caught in a new climate and unable to adapt. Extinction happened to the Mammoth, who flourished in Siberia but found themselves thrust into the Arctic, suddenly. Vegetation may die out in one place, but in another, where the cloud cover is not thick but thin, it struggles on. Mankind knows they can get a sunburn under a cloudy sky. Have you considered that fact? The gloom also diminishes over time, gradually, so is not a steady state for the 25 years we have predicted. And some parts of the globe will even get direct sunlight on occasion, from the start. The vast oceans will do the best, simply because they cover so much of the globe, that someplace the sun is shining on the oceans. Mankind has discovered that the combination of CO2 (which will be in the air due to the volcanoes and fires) and iron (which will be dropped on the surface from the tail of Planet X) incite lush vegetation growth in the oceans. This is the basis of the food chain among fish. Thus, the abundant oceans will offer both vegetation and protein for man in the Aftertime. Pollutants disburse and life goes on.…