ZetaTalk Chat for September 30, 2017 - Earth Changes and the Pole Shift2024-03-29T12:55:56Zhttps://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-september-30-2017?commentId=3863141%3AComment%3A1080218&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSwapping over to October a co…tag:poleshift.ning.com,2017-09-28:3863141:Comment:10805922017-09-28T11:42:44.915ZNancy Liederhttps://poleshift.ning.com/profile/NancyLieder
<p>Swapping over to October a couple days early as I am getting so busy and don't want to forget. Much happening in the world! Please post your new questions on the chat for October 31. Thank you.</p>
<p><a href="http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-october-31-2017" target="_blank">http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-october-31-2017</a></p>
<p>Swapping over to October a couple days early as I am getting so busy and don't want to forget. Much happening in the world! Please post your new questions on the chat for October 31. Thank you.</p>
<p><a href="http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-october-31-2017" target="_blank">http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-october-31-2017</a></p> Declined as this exact issue…tag:poleshift.ning.com,2017-09-26:3863141:Comment:10806572017-09-26T08:43:54.009ZNancy Liederhttps://poleshift.ning.com/profile/NancyLieder
<p>Declined as this exact issue was addressed in ZetaTalk in 2013!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/28sp2013.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/28sp2013.htm</a></p>
<p><em>We stated early in the ZetaTalk saga that Atlantis was located off the coast of Europe, which is land that is regularly pulled down under the waves as the Atlantic is pulled apart during Pole Shifts. We have not specified its location as to do so would incite exploration for profit, but more…</em></p>
<p>Declined as this exact issue was addressed in ZetaTalk in 2013!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/28sp2013.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/28sp2013.htm</a></p>
<p><em>We stated early in the ZetaTalk saga that Atlantis was located off the coast of Europe, which is land that is regularly pulled down under the waves as the Atlantic is pulled apart during Pole Shifts. We have not specified its location as to do so would incite exploration for profit, but more importantly, would raise the issue of the Annunaki’s past on Earth to dominate the news. This is mankind’s past, not their future, and certainly not their present. To be reminded of their former slave masters is not in the best interest of mankind, who should focus on helping others rather than the sense of hopelessness and loss of control that slavery brings. There have been a couple notable satellite discoveries during this past decade that suggest that the site of Atlantis may have been discovered.</em> <br/> <br/> <em>In 2004 a compressed triangle in the rock was found just off the coast of Spain and west of Gibraltar, clearly not a natural formation. This huge formation was touching the plate border there between the African Plate and the Eurasian Plate. Where the Annunaki did not have the technology to effect this stamped triangle in the rock just to the west of Gibraltar, the Service-to-Self aliens who were influencing the Annunaki and assisting them in building the pyramids and seamless walls out of huge rock did this for them. The purpose? To slow the African roll, and thus slow the slippage of Atlantis into the sea, as these aliens wanted the Annunaki to continue to be present, oppressing mankind for the harvest of souls they anticipated in the future.</em> <br/> <br/> <em>What of the pyramid shape found near the Azores? This likewise is not the location of Atlantis, but was a navigational pyramid like the Great Pyramids. The Annunaki, arriving in rocket ships, came in through the clouds of the atmosphere seeking the appropriate landing strip. There have many markings on Earth bearing their symbols, as part of this guidance system. The Atlantic is a broad ocean, where a landing rocket might be confused as to which direction to turn the gliding rocket. That this pyramid is considered to be far older than the Great Pyramids shows the importance of Atlantis vs a vs Egypt at that time. Atlantis was the target landing strip! </em><br/> <br/> <cite>Willa Rawlings said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-september-30-2017?id=3863141%3ATopic%3A1079016&page=3#3863141Comment1080652"><div><p>Early ZetaTalk stated that the Continent of Atlantis was located up and off the Coast of Europe.</p>
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</blockquote> Early ZetaTalk stated that th…tag:poleshift.ning.com,2017-09-26:3863141:Comment:10806522017-09-26T04:28:55.449ZWilla Rawlingshttps://poleshift.ning.com/profile/WillaRawlings
<p>Early ZetaTalk stated that the Continent of Atlantis was located up and off the Coast of Europe. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m54.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m54.htm</a></p>
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<p>Is it possible that this discovery is indeed part of the Atlantis complex?…</p>
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<p>Early ZetaTalk stated that the Continent of Atlantis was located up and off the Coast of Europe. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m54.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m54.htm</a></p>
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<p>Is it possible that this discovery is indeed part of the Atlantis complex?</p>
<p><a href="http://anonymous-news.com/video-20000-year-old-underwater-pyramid-discovered-mid-atlantic-portugal/" rel="nofollow">http://anonymous-news.com/video-20000-year-old-underwater-pyramid-d...</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/01/10/underwater-pyramid-found-near-portugal-has-portuguese-navy-investigating-link-to-atlantis/" rel="nofollow">http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/01/10/underwater-pyramid-f...</a></p>
<p>Local newspaper-Diário Insular has quoted Silva as saying that “the pyramid is perfectly shaped and apparently oriented by the cardinal points”. Silva believes that the pyramid may be a remnant of the legendary lost world of Atlantis,"</p>
<p></p> Accepted via email:
I had a d…tag:poleshift.ning.com,2017-09-25:3863141:Comment:10805562017-09-25T18:17:22.035ZNancy Liederhttps://poleshift.ning.com/profile/NancyLieder
<p>Accepted via email:</p>
<p><em>I had a dream where I posed the question when the world would end, and their response was that only the devil knows when, and would I like to speak to him? I declined. I am not religious and don't believe in heaven or hell. Was the devil in reference to some other type of being outside of the typical connotation humans prescribe?</em> <br></br><em>[and from another]</em><br></br><em>But what of the qualification that the time when the woman, Virgo, gives birth on…</em></p>
<p>Accepted via email:</p>
<p><em>I had a dream where I posed the question when the world would end, and their response was that only the devil knows when, and would I like to speak to him? I declined. I am not religious and don't believe in heaven or hell. Was the devil in reference to some other type of being outside of the typical connotation humans prescribe?</em> <br/><em>[and from another]</em><br/><em>But what of the qualification that the time when the woman, Virgo, gives birth on September 23, 2017 it is not the time of the Pole Shift? Revelations 12:1-16 seems to be saying she has 1260 days to go, 3.5 years, before the “war broke out in heaven”.</em><br/><br/>SOZT<br/><em>Why are two Books of the Bible – Revelations and Daniel – giving an explicate day count for the End Times? The Book of Mark states that none shall know the date, and we have asserted this likewise. The date is not to be known by man, as those who lean to evil intentions would use this knowledge to harm the common man. We are allowed to give a sequence of events, such as the Last Weeks, and to confirm that the passage will coincide with the end of a Magnetic Trimester – toward the end of an August, December, or April.</em> <br/><br/><em>Yet both Revelations and Daniel repeatedly refer to 1260 days, or 42 months. As we have stated, those in the Service-to-Self hope to reap a harvest of souls during the forthcoming passage, and thus wish to increase a sense of abandonment and hopelessness. We have also stated that the Service-to-Self attempted to twist</em> <br/><em><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta496.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta496.htm</a></em><br/><em>the words of Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha, and for this reason Jesus took care to repeat his key lessons often, verbally, so they could not be twisted. Jesus did not write the Bible. Men who could be under the influence of entities in the Service-to-Self were often the authors. </em><br/><br/><em>The date of the passage, the hour of the Pole Shift, is understandably a hot topic. There is scarcely a family without a member wanting to linger before moving to a safe location, wanting to remain in school, to retain the solid job and paycheck, to stay among friends. The status quo has many tentacles, from the Credit Card and Mortgage payments to contracts of every flavor. Yet every delay has risks. Travel can be blocked, bank accounts frozen, and Martial Law with forced work camps imposed. If only the date were known!</em> <br/><br/><em>For the elite, the desire to know the date is acute. Some among the elite desire to poison those</em> <br/><em><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/06fe2016.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/06fe2016.htm</a></em><br/><em>in human society they consider a drain – the sick, the mentally retarded, and the aged. These same elements want Martial Law as soon as possible, so they can have their assets protected and assign corporate management over slave labor in work camps. Yet the combined written knowledge on how to compute the date of the passage</em> <br/><em><a href="http://zetatalk.com/ning/14ma2011.htm" target="_blank">http://zetatalk.com/ning/14ma2011.htm</a></em><br/><em>– from Egyptian, Sumerian, Mayan, and Persian documentation - is contradictory.</em> <br/><br/><em>Rather than seeking a date certain, focus instead on empathy and helping others. This is currency that the elite cannot take from you. Such Service-to-Other enclaves will find the sharing and caring not only make each individual more secure, it brings help from good hearted aliens who will be allowed to make conscious contact with these camps. These Service-to-Other enclaves are forming and growing steadily, as contactees are guided on where to go during relocation. And as we have stated repeatedly, it is better to move now than later, despite arguments for delay.</em> <br/>EOZT<br/><br/>Prior 2009 ZT: <a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta496.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta496.htm</a><br/>Our basic statement is that the words of Jesus were not written. He did not write them down, but repeated them so many times that his words could not be skewed. Those who wrote the Bible were in all cases expressing their agenda, which in most cases was leaning toward the Service-to-Self. <br/><br/>Prior ZT: <a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/06fe2016.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/06fe2016.htm</a><br/>That the Bush administration intended to use vaccines to eliminate unwanted members of the populace just ahead of the Last Weeks is well documented. One need only review the past, the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, to see what is possible. This is an example of why the date of the Pole Shift will not be known, as those in the Service-to-Self would use this knowledge to harm innocents. <br/><br/>Prior ZT: <a href="http://zetatalk.com/ning/14ma2011.htm" target="_blank">http://zetatalk.com/ning/14ma2011.htm</a><br/>There are too many similarities to be coincidence indeed. The solar system on the franc cannot be denied, as all the planets and even their moons are marked. A comet like object enters coming within the orbit of Venus on the franc. Then there are the tall men, with slender faces. The Annunaki, even historically, as seen as walking taller than man, giants, with a face and head more long than round. Why would the Swiss be in possession of this information, and why would they put it on their franc? The Puppet Master lives in Europe and certainly utilizes the secrecy of the Swiss banks during his massive global operations. Does the Puppet Master know the timing of the pole shift? The timing is known by no man, nor was it provided by the Annunaki, as the slow creep of Planet X past the Sun can encounter many obstacles. The path is certain, the timing is not.<br/><br/></p> Declined as not a priority du…tag:poleshift.ning.com,2017-09-25:3863141:Comment:10804582017-09-25T07:19:12.975ZNancy Liederhttps://poleshift.ning.com/profile/NancyLieder
<p>Declined as not a priority during these horrendously busy times. Someone with an agenda, but not a major player. <br/> <br/> <cite>Love is the answer said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-september-30-2017?id=3863141%3ATopic%3A1079016&page=2#3863141Comment1080450"><div><p>Dear Nancy and the Zetas, what's behind the "end of the world " emergency alert that ran on Southern California TV’s 2 days ago?</p>
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<p>Declined as not a priority during these horrendously busy times. Someone with an agenda, but not a major player. <br/> <br/> <cite>Love is the answer said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-september-30-2017?id=3863141%3ATopic%3A1079016&page=2#3863141Comment1080450"><div><p>Dear Nancy and the Zetas, what's behind the "end of the world " emergency alert that ran on Southern California TV’s 2 days ago?</p>
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<p>Dear Nancy and the Zetas, what's behind the "end of the world " emergency alert that ran on Southern California TV’s 2 days ago?</p>
<p>Link: <a href="http://abc7.com/technology/socal-tv-viewers-alarmed-by-apocalyptic-emergency-alert/2442793/" target="_blank">http://abc7.com/technology/socal-tv-viewers-alarmed-by-apocalyptic-emergency-alert/2442793/</a></p>
<p>Dear Nancy and the Zetas, what's behind the "end of the world " emergency alert that ran on Southern California TV’s 2 days ago?</p>
<p>Link: <a href="http://abc7.com/technology/socal-tv-viewers-alarmed-by-apocalyptic-emergency-alert/2442793/" target="_blank">http://abc7.com/technology/socal-tv-viewers-alarmed-by-apocalyptic-emergency-alert/2442793/</a></p> Question posed by Alberto and…tag:poleshift.ning.com,2017-09-23:3863141:Comment:10802182017-09-23T14:59:06.466ZNancy Liederhttps://poleshift.ning.com/profile/NancyLieder
<p>Question posed by Alberto and myself, because of the pulsing waffles, etc.</p>
<p><em>I don't know what to make of this! It's like Nibiru is hidden by its vast dust cloud, which appears to have waffling on the right hand side. An overlay of waffles? I think we are lost in the blast of tail, pointing now toward the Earth! I gather from the excuses about the Sun, emissions from the Sun (which is in solar minimum now), that we are getting hammered by EMP. Internet is very slow too. Nibiru…</em></p>
<p>Question posed by Alberto and myself, because of the pulsing waffles, etc.</p>
<p><em>I don't know what to make of this! It's like Nibiru is hidden by its vast dust cloud, which appears to have waffling on the right hand side. An overlay of waffles? I think we are lost in the blast of tail, pointing now toward the Earth! I gather from the excuses about the Sun, emissions from the Sun (which is in solar minimum now), that we are getting hammered by EMP. Internet is very slow too. Nibiru appears to have come closer and to also be blowing the tail directly at us, not to the left as before.</em><br/><em>[and from another]</em><br/><em>In addition to the vast tail of Nibiru being turned at us, toward us, Alberto has captured a pulse. Solar pulsation is known and being studied as all kinds of things pulse - x-ray, solar wind stuff. But what Alberto's pulse seems to show is more rapid. Magnetospheres can also pulse, and this is likely the cause. Not the Sun pulsing, but the vast tail (waffles, etc) pulsing! This is yet another new phenomena.</em><br/><em>[and from another]</em><br/><em><a href="http://www.astronomynotes.com/starsun/s5.htm" target="_blank">http://www.astronomynotes.com/starsun/s5.htm</a></em><br/><em>Solar astronomers have set up a global network of stations to continuously monitor the Sun's pulsations. This network is called the Global Oscillations Network Group (GONG). Links to web sites describing GONG and other helioseismology sites are given below. Instruments to detect solar oscillations have also been placed on satellites.</em> <br/><em>[and from another]</em> <br/><em><a href="https://eos.org/research-spotlights/what-causes-the-strange-pulses-in-saturns-magnetosphere" target="_blank">https://eos.org/research-spotlights/what-causes-the-strange-pulses-...</a></em><br/><em>The behaviors of various phenomena within the magnetosphere, including charged particles, magnetic fields, the aurora, radio emissions, and even the rings themselves, undergo periodic cycles that last about 10.7 hours.</em><br/><br/><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54907575?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54907575?profile=original" class="align-full" width="721"/></a><br/><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54907583?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54907583?profile=original" class="align-full" width="721"/></a><br/><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54907806?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54907806?profile=original" class="align-full" width="662"/></a><br/><br/>SOZT<br/><em>What has changed recently that the magnetic rings around the Moon Swirls can be seen distinctly as waffles, and a pulsing in the vast tail is now evidence. Nibiru has turned its magnetic N Pole to point directly at the Earth, so the tail that formerly wrapped in a clockwise circle below and to the left and then above the Sun is now blasting directly at the Earth. Nibiru itself stands behind the thick dust cloud of the tail, as do the Moon Swirls which cling close to the gravity and magnetic draw of Nibiru.</em> <br/><br/><em>Human scientists understand that the Sun and magnetospheres can pulse, for many reasons as yet poorly understood by man. We have described the behavior of many particle flows</em> <br/><em><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta558.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta558.htm</a></em><br/><em>as being a rush to clump together and a push away from crowding. This is God’s plan, and accounts for the dynamic nature</em> <br/><em><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/13fe2016.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/13fe2016.htm</a></em><br/><em>of the Universe, always in motion. Where man’s studies indicate that pulsations are long, and Alberto’s video shows a rapid pulse in Nibiru’s tail, the variations are many. The tail is throbbing, as interactions between MANY magnetospheres within the tail are involved.</em> <br/>EOZT<br/><br/>Prior 2010 ZT: <a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta558.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta558.htm</a><br/>The white areas that look like spokes on a wheel are the lingering results of changes that the radar emissions caused in the atmosphere, a type of coagulation of particles that clump together and then have a dearth in between the spokes. This is very common in particle behavior, as we have explained, the desire for similar particles to clump or group. In this case, the dearth of particles in between the spokes is due to these particles in those locations being swept into a nearby spoke's clumping.<br/><br/>Prior 1995 ZT: <a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s14.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s14.htm</a><br/>The stuff the Universe is made of, elemental particles that are not moving, are not clumping, and thus do not form mass or register as energy.<br/><br/>Prior ZT: <a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/13fe2016.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/13fe2016.htm</a><br/>Of course the intense gravity particle clumping at the center of black holes would be increased during a collision. Of course this would result in the particles blowing out to escape this crowding. Thus, what are being called gravity waves, each escape of particles creating a void behind the wave, thus encouraging the next wave to follow.<br/><br/></p> Accepted via email but the vi…tag:poleshift.ning.com,2017-09-23:3863141:Comment:10804252017-09-23T14:56:56.683ZNancy Liederhttps://poleshift.ning.com/profile/NancyLieder
<p>Accepted via email but the video was apparently posted here on the ning.</p>
<p><em>This seems like a legit UFO display over Hawaii posted by one of your members. What is the message here, volcano, tsunami?</em> <br></br><em>[and from another]</em><br></br><em><a href="https://youtu.be/NGXUzQFwdCc" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/NGXUzQFwdCc</a></em><br></br><em>Caught on camera: Strange lights spotted floating over Oahu…</em> <br></br><br></br></p>
<p>Accepted via email but the video was apparently posted here on the ning.</p>
<p><em>This seems like a legit UFO display over Hawaii posted by one of your members. What is the message here, volcano, tsunami?</em> <br/><em>[and from another]</em><br/><em><a href="https://youtu.be/NGXUzQFwdCc" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/NGXUzQFwdCc</a></em><br/><em>Caught on camera: Strange lights spotted floating over Oahu</em> <br/><br/><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54908065?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54908065?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="721"/></a><br/><br/>SOZT<br/><em>Hawaii is a long island chain, with Oahu being bounded by islands on either side. We have explained that the Pacific is not just one large plate but is rather composed of four smaller plates. The Hawaiian islands are located on a ridge formed at the juncture of two of those plates. As these plates move during the compression of the Pacific, the islands will change their orientation to each other, shift position, and some of them will temporarily submerge and re-emerge later during this process. Oahu, represented by the central UFO, will remain above the waves, throughout.</em> <br/>EOZT<br/><br/></p> Accepted Stanislav said:
Wik…tag:poleshift.ning.com,2017-09-20:3863141:Comment:10803762017-09-20T10:02:46.882ZNancy Liederhttps://poleshift.ning.com/profile/NancyLieder
<p>Accepted<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Stanislav said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-september-30-2017?id=3863141%3ATopic%3A1079016&page=2#3863141Comment1080070"><div><p>Wikileaks has published a series documents Spy Files Russia</p>
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<p><em>1) First of all, who did this? Was this done by the contactee or you (Zetas)?</em> <br></br><em>2) Why is it necessary for the government of Russia? The law enters only in November (Yarovaya…</em></p>
<p>Accepted<br/> <br/> <cite>Stanislav said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-september-30-2017?id=3863141%3ATopic%3A1079016&page=2#3863141Comment1080070"><div><p>Wikileaks has published a series documents Spy Files Russia</p>
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<p><em>1) First of all, who did this? Was this done by the contactee or you (Zetas)?</em> <br/><em>2) Why is it necessary for the government of Russia? The law enters only in November (Yarovaya Law). Many are already talking about its inability (because of financial reasons). Although this is actually done in an "open mode" (wide coverage in the press of the Yarovoy law) And all this is justified by the fight against terrorism (as in the US in 2001)</em><br/><em>[and from another]</em> <br/><em><a href="https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/" target="_blank">https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/</a></em><br/><em>While the surveillance of communication traffic is a global phenomenon, the legal and technological framework of its operation is different for each country. Russia's laws - especially the new Yarovaya Law - make literally no distinction between Lawful Interception and mass surveillance by state intelligence authorities (SIAs) without court orders. Russian communication providers are required by Russian law to install the so-called SORM components for surveillance provided by the FSB at their own expense. The SORM infrastructure is developed and deployed in Russia with close cooperation between the FSB, the Interior Ministry of Russia and Russian surveillance contractors. ... PETER-SERVICE is presented as a natural ally for intelligence agencies in "the most lucrative business [of] manipulating minds".</em><br/><em>[and from another]</em> <br/><em><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/17/putin-edward-snowden-russia-mass-surveillance" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/17/putin-edward-snowden-...</a></em><br/><em>17 April, 2014. Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance.</em> <br/><em>He said “Russia did not have a comparable programme”, stating: "Our agents are controlled by law. You have to get court permission to put an individual under surveillance. We don't have mass permission, and our law makes it impossible for that kind of mass permission to exist." He said he was aware that "criminals and terrorists" relied on this kind of interception, and that their actions demanded a response from the security services. "We have to use technical means to respond to their crimes, including those of a terrorist nature, we do have some efforts like that. We don't have a mass control. I hope we don't do that," he said. "We don't have as much money as they do in the US," he added.</em><br/><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54908160?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54908160?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="721"/></a><br/>SOZT<br/><em>Of course Russia snoops on its citizens, as does every country with the means to do so. The US has been doing this for decades, and denying it just as vehemently. We have repeatedly stated that the attitude to assume is “there are no secrets”. Assume all is known, because most likely it is. Even where electronics is avoided, notes passed between hands, the parties involved can talk to reveal all. Lip readers can read lips. But electronic communication is so quick and effective that more than private citizens utilize this route, as those in government know.</em> <br/><br/><em>In the US Soros funds riots and funds criminals who would shoot policemen in the back, anti-government groups refuse to pay taxes and states plan to secede from the Union, election fraud was used by the Hillary camp during the 2016 election and political assassinations plotted, ISIS plans to infiltrate and of course established drug running or Mafia networks are always a threat. How could Russia be any different? They likewise deal with ISIS infiltration via Europe, Chechen rebels, and the threat of mass migration coming from India and Asia as the Earth changes progress.</em> <br/><br/><em>We have warned since the start of the ZetaTalk saga that a creep toward Martial Law</em> <br/><em><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/23ag2014.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/23ag2014.htm</a></em><br/><em>will occur as the Earth changes progress. Crop shortages have already resulted in bare shelves and high prices. Storms and earthquakes are resulting in increasing numbers of homeless and starving. The desperate will try to migrate, and will certainly resort to rioting and looting. Citizens used to a dole, or to rescue, will resist being asked to garden and fish and rebuild shelters from the litter that high winds leave after a storm or earthquake. A long period of shock, and resistance, can be expected.</em> <br/><br/><em>And what of the opportunists, who see chaos as an opportunity to gain control? Increasingly draconian measures will be used by governments as the Earth changes create the scenario we have described. We have warned that if citizens want to avoid work camps</em> <br/><em><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/04oc2014.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/04oc2014.htm</a></em><br/><em>and barbed wire, they should become self-sufficient</em> <br/><em><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue425.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue425.htm</a></em><br/><em>as soon as possible - garden, flocks and herds, fish ponds, and natural vitamins and herbal meds. But few listen. Thus to avoid utter chaos, governments will turn to surveillance and harsh tactics. They have no choice. </em><br/><em><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue425.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue425.htm</a></em><br/>EOZT<br/><br/>Prior ZT: <a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/05jy2014.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/05jy2014.htm</a><br/><em>Russia will have horrific migration issues, both internally within Russia and from Europe and India. The US knows it will have migration problems from Central America via Mexico. Both countries face secession issues – Russia from Chechen rebels and the US from red states such as Texas. Both countries will lose land to flooding – the US in its Mississippi River basin and Russia in Siberia. Both countries will have to migrate their seats of government – the US from DC to Denver and Russia from Moscow to the Urals or eastern Russia. What do they wish to learn from scanning phone records and internet traffic? What plots are being hatched, and what parties are involved.</em> <br/><br/>Prior ZT: <a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/04oc2014.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/04oc2014.htm</a><br/><em>Hong Kong, as with New York City or London, has a massive population almost completely divorced from farming skills and knowledge. What to do with these citizens? Told to march into the fields and pick up a hoe, to eat bugs and tasteless vegetables when they are used to cuisine, they will argue and fuss. Their governments have few choices. Forced labor camps is one solution, and forced labor camps imply Martial Law. Another alternative is to blockade exit from the cities until the citizenry starves, resorts to cannibalism, and dies off. When watching the incremental march toward Martial Law, consider what choices the establishment has. They are few!</em><br/><br/>Prior ZT: <a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/23ag2014.htm" target="_blank">http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/23ag2014.htm</a><br/><em>Depending upon the country and the culture, martial law will evolve everywhere. The US is a gun haven, and everybody under the Sun is armed to the teeth. The US would likely have some of the most problematic situations. NOAA, the USPS, the State Department, Homeland Security, and the Department of Agriculture – federal agencies - are allowing their people to become armed. So you have federal agencies arming themselves in anticipation of martial law and having to get heavy handed, and not necessarily having the US military right at their shoulder to be able to come in and settle disagreements. In a similar manner England, France, and Germany are preparing. </em><br/><br/><em>China would have no problem with martial law because it is a communist country, an essential dictatorship, although benign. They would do so without hesitation, in steps, as rioting developed. They already have a huge population which is starving. And they have a lot of laws in place which much of the world considers dictatorial, such as the one child rule, and everybody is used to that. So there would be no raised eyebrows in China. Russia has already shown its muscle in the Crimea and the Ukraine. They have in the past shown their muscle in dealing with Chechens, with terrorists. And they likewise are close enough to former dictatorships that they would have no problem slipping into martial law.</em> <br/><br/><em>India is already at starvation levels among much of their people. And if the populace becomes aware of steady sinking, there’s going to be panic. And there certainly will be rioting in cities to rush the enclaves of the wealthy. So to what extent will the government rise up and just blow people away? People will try to clamor into boats and go elsewhere, and will be dying at sea. Countries such as Australia will sink their boats, blast a hole in the boat, and all those Indians will be bouncing around in the waves and drown and nobody will hear of this. Australia is already brutal with immigrants, and it's one step away to being heavy handed with their citizens.</em><br/><br/><em>In less industrial countries, as in the majority of S America and Africa, the populace is used to feeding itself and even in the cities most of the populace is only a generation away from a rural lifestyle. In industrial countries the cities, particularly those along the vulnerable coastlines, will be ready to flash into riots, especially when food shortages become intractable. We have endlessly advised that those wanting to survive move to rural areas and learn to garden and keep flocks and herds, well ahead of the time when travel restrictions might be imposed. Have a foot hold in the country, so that you and your family can move there when the time comes.</em><br/><br/></p> Hi Nancy and Zetas,
Wikileaks…tag:poleshift.ning.com,2017-09-19:3863141:Comment:10800702017-09-19T19:23:54.174ZStanislavhttps://poleshift.ning.com/profile/Stanislav
<p>Hi Nancy and Zetas,</p>
<p>Wikileaks has published a series documents Spy Files Russia</p>
<p>1) First of all, who did this? Was this done by the contactee or you (Zetas)?</p>
<p>2) Why is it necessary for the government of Russia? The law enters only in November (<em>Yarovaya Law)</em>. Many are already talking about its inability (because of financial reasons). Although this is actually done in an "open mode" (wide coverage in the press of the Yarovoy law) And all this is justified by the…</p>
<p>Hi Nancy and Zetas,</p>
<p>Wikileaks has published a series documents Spy Files Russia</p>
<p>1) First of all, who did this? Was this done by the contactee or you (Zetas)?</p>
<p>2) Why is it necessary for the government of Russia? The law enters only in November (<em>Yarovaya Law)</em>. Many are already talking about its inability (because of financial reasons). Although this is actually done in an "open mode" (wide coverage in the press of the Yarovoy law) And all this is justified by the fight against terrorism (as in the US in 2001)</p>
<p><em>Russia will have horrific migration issues, both internally within Russia and from Europe and India. The US knows it will have migration problems from Central America via Mexico. Both countries face secession issues – Russia from Chechen rebels and the US from red states such as Texas. Both countries will lose land to flooding – the US in its Mississippi River basin and Russia in Siberia. Both countries will have to migrate their seats of government – the US from DC to Denver and Russia from Moscow to the Urals or eastern Russia. What do they wish to learn from scanning phone records and internet traffic? What plots are being hatched, and what parties are involved. </em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/05jy2014.htm" target="_blank">ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for July 5, 2014</a></p>
<p><a href="https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/img3.png" target="_blank"><img src="https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/img3.png" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>"<span><em>While the surveillance of communication traffic is a global phenomena, the legal and technological framework of its operation is different for each country. Russia's laws - especially the new Yarovaya Law - make literally no distinction between Lawful Interception and mass surveillance by state intelligence authorities (SIAs) without court orders. Russian communication providers are required by Russian law to install the so-called SORM ( Система Оперативно-Розыскных Мероприятий) components for surveillance provided by the FSB at their own expense. The </em><em><a href="https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/#SORM"><span>SORM infrastructure</span></a> is developed and deployed in Russia with close cooperation between the FSB, the Interior Ministry of Russia and Russian surveillance contractors. <...></em></span></p>
<p><span><em>PETER-SERVICE is presented as a natural ally for intelligence agencies in "the most lucrative business [of] manipulating minds"</em>.</span>"</p>
<p>Source: <a href="https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/" target="_blank">https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/</a></p>
<p><strong>Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance</strong></p>
<p>17 April, 2017. "<...><span><em>He said Russia did not have a comparable programme, stating: "Our agents are controlled by law. You have to get court permission to put an individual under surveillance. We don't have mass permission, and our law makes it impossible for that kind of mass permission to exist."</em></span></p>
<p><span><em>He said he was aware that "criminals and terrorists" relied on this kind of interception, and that their actions demanded a response from the security services. "We have to use technical means to respond to their crimes, including those of a terrorist nature, we do have some efforts like that. We don't have a mass control. I hope we don't do that," he said.</em></span></p>
<p><span><em>"We don't have as much money as they do in the US," he added."</em></span></p>
<p>Gentleman, A., & Hopkins, N. (2014, April 17). Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance. Retrieved September 19, 2017, from <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/17/putin-edward-snowden-russia-mass-surveillance" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/17/putin-edward-snowden-russia-mass-surveillance</a></p>
<p><span>Thank you very much</span></p>