ZetaTalk Chat for June 23, 2012

[Nancy Lieder]

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2. The existence of Planet X and the truthfulness of ZetaTalk are not debatable.
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Zeta Rules that Apply

1. No personal counseling is done.This rule has been in place since 1996. Questions should be of broad interest to the general public.
2. Correlation or resolution of ZetaTalk with the work of other channels or authors is not done unless they predict and have a prediction accuracy track record, as otherwise they are not a peer of ZetaTalk which does so. This rule has been in place since 2002. Just because another website or author makes a statement does not make that statement true, nor will the Zetas explain to you why their statements are not true, as then they are taking time out to address the issue.
3. The Zetas, as all visitors, are under rules on how they interact with humanity. They are not here to rescue you. They cannot divert Planet X just as today they do not prevent droughts or floods. The Earth is mankind’s schoolhouse whereby he learns to help his fellow man.
4. The date of the pole shift cannot be given, but the sequence of events can be given. [ Link ] Check the ning pinned discussions and blogs for such information as the 7 of 10, the last weeks, etc.

 

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Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 70 years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek. To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

Bear in mind, during these chats, what you are asking of ourselves and Nancy. You have a resource here which you are regularly wasting and exhausting with idiotic questions! Nancy has warned that the time is quickly coming when you will get no response from her at all, just a statement as to which questions will be accepted. You have complained when she told you, in no uncertain terms, what was wrong with your demands or your questions. But those who do not learn are destined to be ignored, which is what is coming next.

[J A]

Biden says the great cities are in China not America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eig3ujGSmfA&feature=player_embedded

I was wondering if he said this so that people would search for cities in China and come across stories about the ghost cities. Which will make them wonder about things.

[J A]

I've asked Nancy and the Zetas close to 100 questions on GLP. Back when anybody could ask her almost any question that they wanted, and where Nancy pointed out that she answered even the I guess dumb question so that they wouldn't accuse her of picking and choosing. (Too long ago so I can't remember the exact words). And to get such logical responses in 10 to 15 minutes or less, while not contradicting past answers from years of Zeta Talk was something that no human can do. Even when a person knows a lot about a subject, if they're not in the proper mindset they might not always be able to give a clear response, but ZT always did. I could go on and on. And live ZT on the radio, no human would be able to fake it. So many different radio show hosts, and callers, and they would all have to be in it to fake it. I even remember one time where human Nancy seemed to not be able to quite explain a point clearly, perhaps not in the proper mindset, and as soon as she gave the question to the Zetas, the point was just expressed perfect. But I did notice a couple of times where a question that I asked that where slightly personal were slightly misunderstood by Nancy and the Zetas answered them the way Nancy understood them. (Though the answers were still great) I'm sure the Zetas could completely read my thoughts. But if Nancy understanding of the question is different from what the person who asked the question intended, do the Zetas continue answering them the way Nancy perceived it?

[Nancy Lieder]

This issue came up in 2002 and is answered in the Stumble article, below. Bottom line, I am a translator, and put their concepts into English. If I think we are talking about Melons and the issue is Tomatoes, then corrections will need to be made, as the translation will be temporarily incorrect in some aspects. I am not a megaphone. I'm a human being, mostly exhausted. But my insistence on "being on the same page" before doing ZT on an issue is for this reason. I need to know what the question is, and what the facts are, and get familiar. THEN I am ready for the Zeta response. But sometimes the Zetas deliberately allow me to make a mistake, and don't correct it, during the game of chess they play with those trying to bring the ZetaTalk message down.

http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t149.htm

ZetaTalk: Stumble
Note: written during the Sep 7, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.

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We allowed Nancy to answer the question about the Beatles according to her understanding of the question, to demonstrate the limits of the vehicle. In fact, if she is not on the same page, understanding the setting, understanding the context of the question, she cannot put words to our concepts correctly. This is akin to a Greek translator being asked to interpret French. Hearing English, the Greek translator interprets correctly. Hearing French, almost any idea may pop into the head of the translator, and the answer following down wrong paths accordingly. It does matter what is in the translators head, such that an Aboriginal hearing an English mathematician describe the orbits of the planets would explain this to the tribe in a manner the Englishman would find absurd. Likewise, the Englishman hearing the Aboriginal describe migrations of the wildlife, and the reasons for variations, would leave the Aboriginal bent over in laughter. There are, in fact, words missing from one language, inherent in another, due to these concept synching problems.

Thus, in the past, when Nancy was asked to speak in math, and did so poorly, this demonstrated our refusal, and hers, to do this. This has for a long time been the rule, and the public forgets. Thus, choosing a silly subject, the Beatles, unimportant in the main line issues of today, we allowed this to proceed. Nancy is not a Beatle fan, never has been, and thus hears these names only in the distance on the news, in the background. She was aware of a recent death, cancer, someone who did good work around the globe and was beloved, and assumed this to be the person asked about, especially in the Context of being protected by Service-to-Other aliens due to the human's mission. We do not expect this to be believed, but for those looking for a reason for this catastrophic blooper, this is it!

Note: Below added during Nov 16, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.

Early in ZetaTalk, there was high alarm that we, the Zetas, were out there in the world telling all, telling the truth, and gripping the public with the scope and depth of Nancy's postings that we were fast gaining international aclaim. We have stated before, that depending upon the success of ZetaTalk, as perceived by the establishement, push-back occurs. If Nancy is viewed as being perceived as accurate, believable, then a hundred times more disinfo sites and agents would be sent forth to counter this than have actually been dispatched. Thus, it is a clever maneuver, on our part, and with Nancy's cooperation, to do a Columbo, act befuddled, appear to make a slip, on occasion. These slips are carefully placed so as to placate the establishment, but not confuse the readership who is reading with broad interest, and looking at the overall trends. The establishement is in general either wealthy, used to wielding power only because of their wealth, or those in power who rely on the wealthy. Thus, for an aging woman, who has worked all her life and must work to eat on a weekly basis, to have an impact in the world is inconcievable to them

Hale-Bopp

Early in the game the Hale-Bopp ploy was used, and in truth Nancy was under the impression until late in the game that there was no comet! Our words, as recorded by Nancy, however, told a different story. We relayed that Hale-Bopp in 1995, within a month after Hale-Bopp was announced, was not a comet, but a nova, and the ESO confirmed this in the Fall of 1995. After that, as JPL and NASA dotted an orbit across the sky, where no comet was tracking, to meet the plotted orbit of a real comet the NEAT program that watches dark asteroids had detected, we reported these orbit aberations. The orbit of Hale-Bopp plotted by JPL leap away from Jupiter upon passage, perturbed away, and all of this per reports by JPL of actual and recent sightings! The group wanting to have the public look in the opposite direction of Orion was placated, however, as Nancy steadfastly maintained, in NancyTalk, that there was no Hale-Bopp comet. Then in 1996, we slipped in a warning in ZetaTalk that they were lining the false/fake orbit up with the orbit of a real comet, and when this emerged in 1997, we, the Zetas, were not wrong. Nancy was a bit miffed at having been used in this manner, but the benefit soon dawned upon her.

 

Magnitude 2.0

In like manner, in the early days of Planet X sightings, we laid out trip points to placate the establishement. It was a Mag 2, and at the time when ZetaTalk was building international acclaim due to its utter accuracy on all other issues, this simple point placated NASA and the arrogant elite. And how would Nancy and ZetaTalk ever recover from this? They presumed this a fatal error. When the sightings began in early 2001, this was the cry, the Magnitude issue, and our explanations that our eyes could see it and our equipment register it as a Mag 2 deemed inadequate. However, like a giant mushroom growing in the dark, ZetaTalk grew, internationally, and in the underground of the Internet. Nancy's appearances on radio or TV or in articles were considered no more threatening than other New Age claimants, but the readership caught the truth and relevance of our words and checked into the web site.

 

Poverty

Even Nancy's poverty level is a ploy, though real, in that the Hazlewood plot was to assocate Nancy with money scams, which she avoided by working and being broke, as she has been most of her life. The establishment was placated at their loss of taking her down in this manner because she was broke, and struggling, and none of them could immagine having an impact in the world from such a position. Now, going into the final months, the establishment will be so overwhelmed that they care not, will go into increasing isolation, into their bunkers, at least into a bunker mentality, and Nancy and ZetaTalk the least of their worries.

J A said:

I've asked Nancy and the Zetas close to 100 questions on GLP. Back when anybody could ask her almost any question that they wanted, and where Nancy pointed out that she answered even the I guess dumb question so that they wouldn't accuse her of picking and choosing. (Too long ago so I can't remember the exact words). And to get such logical responses in 10 to 15 minutes or less, while not contradicting past answers from years of Zeta Talk was something that no human can do. Even when a person knows a lot about a subject, if they're not in the proper mindset they might not always be able to give a clear response, but ZT always did. I could go on and on. And live ZT on the radio, no human would be able to fake it. So many different radio show hosts, and callers, and they would all have to be in it to fake it. I even remember one time where human Nancy seemed to not be able to quite explain a point clearly, perhaps not in the proper mindset, and as soon as she gave the question to the Zetas, the point was just expressed perfect. But I did notice a couple of times where a question that I asked that where slightly personal were slightly misunderstood by Nancy and the Zetas answered them the way Nancy understood them. (Though the answers were still great) I'm sure the Zetas could completely read my thoughts. But if Nancy understanding of the question is different from what the person who asked the question intended, do the Zetas continue answering them the way Nancy perceived it?

[Nancy Lieder]

China IS on the upswing, re technology and standard of living for their citizens, etc. And the US cities, like their dominance as the greatest economy in the world, is slipping down the slope. Declined as he does not seem to be alluding to Ghost Cities at all.

J A said:

Biden says the great cities are in China not America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eig3ujGSmfA&feature=player_embedded

I was wondering if he said this so that people would search for cities in China and come across stories about the ghost cities. Which will make them wonder about things.

[emanuel franco]

Hello Nancy and Zetas

Recently there's been alot of talk in the media of Obama possibly losing the presidency in november, with even members of Obama's administration admitting  it is very possible as romney seems to be gaining ground and backed by super wealthy. What kind of impact would having a wealthy republican like romney, with ties to the very wealthy,  as president, have on preparing the general public in the U.S. for the poleshift? What would the zetas say is the likelihood of Obama actually losing the presidency? 

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted from the standpoint of different GROUPS (like the asterity advocates in Europe and elsewhere, the trickly down advocates giving to the rich in the US) rather than address the standoff between the Democrats and Republicans as this ning has a rule against discussing politics and religion.

emanuel franco said:

Hello Nancy and Zetas

Recently there's been alot of talk in the media of Obama possibly losing the presidency in november, with even members of Obama's administration admitting  it is very possible as romney seems to be gaining ground and backed by super wealthy. What kind of impact would having a wealthy republican like romney, with ties to the very wealthy,  as president, have on preparing the general public in the U.S. for the poleshift? What would the zetas say is the likelihood of Obama actually losing the presidency? 

[yaroslav]

How much wobble will affect the level of the rivers?. It was noted that grows shallow river Yenisei during the magnetic twist. There are photos of the incidents.

June 13 

coordinates 56.013719,92.900047

coordinates 56.034506,92.934916

 iswa 

June 14

no magnetic twist

same place

15 and 16 June the water level has not changed

June 17

same place

iswa 

[Nancy Lieder]

Wow super documentation! Accepted.

yaroslav said:

How much wobble will affect the level of the rivers?. It was noted that grows shallow river Yenisei during the magnetic twist. There are photos of the incidents.

June 13 

coordinates 56.013719,92.900047

[Sergey Anfelso]

New Crop Circle at Berkley Lane, nr Frome, Somerset. Reported 17th June. Could the Zetas identify this formation? If this isn't a hoax, what message here is present? Thanks.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/Berkley/Berkley2012a.html

There is a crop circle in a field next to the A361 between Frome and Berkley in Somerset. It was not there yesterday, so has happened last night. Several people and the farmer there already when I saw it while walking my dogs at 8am. Farmer said there will be little he can do to stop people from going into his field, so is hesitant but ok about visitors as long as they stay to the tractor lines and do not leave litter or damage any crop. ...

[Elias Eluhesko]

Nancy, I can add a question? Do I understand correctly? Here are depicted Venus, Earth and Dark Twin. In conjunction with the road junction, he said that the Dark Twin is preparing to leave orbit (escape) at the next corner? Or that he was catching up from behind pushes the Earth off its usual way? It seems that this is the first real terms this year and because of this we can see the difference in quality of execution and content, between the fakes and these circles? Is this true?

Sergey Anfelso said:

[Nancy Lieder]

Declined as this is surely a hoax. Too small, too simple, too irregular. One can see where the machines started in the outer circle, for instance.

Sergey Anfelso said:

New Crop Circle at Berkley Lane, nr Frome, Somerset. Reported 17th June. Could the Zetas identify this formation? If this isn't a hoax, what message here is present? Thanks.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/Berkley/Berkley2012a.html

There is a crop circle in a field next to the A361 between Frome and Berkley in Somerset. It was not there yesterday, so has happened last night. Several people and the farmer there already when I saw it while walking my dogs at 8am. Farmer said there will be little he can do to stop people from going into his field, so is hesitant but ok about visitors as long as they stay to the tractor lines and do not leave litter or damage any crop. ...

[Nancy Lieder]

Absolutely declined because you are asking the Zetas to confirm YOUR analysis of this fake CC.

Elias Eluhesko said:

Nancy, I can add a question? Do I understand correctly? Here are depicted Venus, Earth and Dark Twin. In conjunction with the road junction, he said that the Dark Twin is preparing to leave orbit (escape) at the next corner? Or that he was catching up from behind pushes the Earth off its usual way? It seems that this is the first real terms this year and because of this we can see the difference in quality of execution and content, between the fakes and these circles? Is this true?

Sergey Anfelso said: