ZetaTalk Chat for June 16, 2012

[Nancy Lieder]

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Note the Zeta's words on wasting the opportunity to pose question to themselves, and get a response via Nancy. They do not suffer fools gladly, and this will increasingly be the case.

This is an opportunity to discuss the public's expectations of Nancy, who is a single person, 70 years old, with health concerns, who works every day for as many hours as her health allows on getting the message out to the world. She was asked, in the early days of ZetaTalk, to be as educated on astronomy as astronomers, and did so to a degree that allowed her to support the imaging of the inbound Planet X. She supported our debates on sci.astro on the absurdity of human math when faced with reality, on the matter of why the Moon is in the skies and not crashing to Earth, even though she does not speak math any more than she speaks Greek. To properly translate our concepts, Nancy, as she has so often mentioned, must be on the same page as ourselves, versed sufficiently in the subject to understand our response. Thus she has been asked to be educated to the level of a biologist or geneticist on the matter of the hybrids, to be a geologist on plate movements, to be a vulcanologist, to be a hydrologist on water movement, to be an archeologist re ancient civilizations, to be an electrician when discussing survival equipment, and to be a sociologist and political scientist on the matter of human behavior. Where images do not exist on the web, she draws them sufficiently to explain our words. We do not, on every answer, require Nancy to spend hours positioning herself such that she goes beyond what is needed to relay our message.

Bear in mind, during these chats, what you are asking of ourselves and Nancy. You have a resource here which you are regularly wasting and exhausting with idiotic questions! Nancy has warned that the time is quickly coming when you will get no response from her at all, just a statement as to which questions will be accepted. You have complained when she told you, in no uncertain terms, what was wrong with your demands or your questions. But those who do not learn are destined to be ignored, which is what is coming next.

[Planet Twelve]

More signs of desperation in the ranks of the Coverup emerged recently through the mainstream press, presenting musings regarding the alleged discovery of “a thick, 60-mile-long "phytoplankton megabloom" under Arctic sea ice”, reported in the journal Science.

Funded by NASA and taken on the road by the minions, also picked up, predictably, by known Disinfo conduits, which I will not do the courtesy of naming, this whole piece is unmistakably bearing the mark of a Coverup Campaign.

Headlines re this are trumpeting that phrase which was formerly a perfectly suitable one, two words which accurately describe a predicted symptom of the Planet X presence, “Climate Change”, but sadly now carry the inference of, is a bedfellow with, that discredited nonsense Establishment fabrication we all know and despise as “Global Warming”…

 

 'Megabloom' of tiny plants under Arctic sea ice tied to climate change

“Experts were shocked to find a thick, 60-mile-long "phytoplankton megabloom" under Arctic sea ice, announcing in a study Thursday that ice made thinner by warming temperatures has, for now at least, created ideal conditions for the microscopic, single-cell plants to flourish”

 

[That is enough of their nonsense for this unique forum]

 

More here: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/07/12108925-megabloom-of-...

 

Originating source: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2012/06/06/science.1215065

 

 

Their postulations seem laughable to many of us, and the use of phrases such as “it is likely”, “had thought”, “looked like”, “shocked to find” and “didn’t expect” etc, etc is revealing both that they are like the blind leading the blind, and also that much of this is manufactured and slanted sympathetic to the Coverup mission to deny the PX presence.

 

Nancy, doubtless these blooms are symptomatic of the near presence of that bully, Planet X, and to be honest I can think of better, more relevant Q’s to put to the Zetas, rather than give air to those who will deny, but in my opinion these campaigns need to be countered occasionally, and we are in an uptick.. With ZT on these matters, the Common Man can get the facts.

 

Would the Zetas please lift the veil on this, explain what is really going on?

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted. Was hoping to address this as it immediately caught my eye too.

Planet Twelve said:

More signs of desperation in the ranks of the Coverup emerged recently through the mainstream press, presenting musings regarding the alleged discovery of “a thick, 60-mile-long "phytoplankton megabloom" under Arctic sea ice”, reported in the journal Science.

Funded by NASA and taken on the road by the minions, also picked up, predictably, by known Disinfo conduits, which I will not do the courtesy of naming, this whole piece is unmistakably bearing the mark of a Coverup Campaign.

Headlines re this are trumpeting that phrase which was formerly a perfectly suitable one, two words which accurately describe a predicted symptom of the Planet X presence, “Climate Change”, but sadly now carry the inference of, is a bedfellow with, that discredited nonsense Establishment fabrication we all know and despise as “Global Warming”…

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted

Kristine said:

Hi Nancy,

Hope you are doing well.  I was reading the question posted to you and the Zetas from Lynn Martin on the 6/9/2012 Chat Q&A regarding the storm in Denver on the night of June 6th, 2012.  I can attest that it was the strangest storm I have ever witnessed.  The lightning was like a strobe light and non stop for hours. Here is what I am curious about.. with all the buzz currently about the high radiation count in Indiana that night which was at the same time the storm was happening here in Denver it feels like this could be linked.  Is it possible that this is COW putting the TPTB in place again in some way?   Just thought it could be an addition to Lynn's question.

Here is a link to a you tube video that contains the info from that night in Indiana.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaFy-fykplw&feature=player_embed...

Thank you for all you do,

Kristine

[Planet Twelve]

It has been established beyond a reasonable doubt http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/venus-transit-june-5th-6th..., http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/venus-transit-wobble-more-... that the June 5 /6 Venus transit did not go as expected, i.e. Venus refused to adhere to a trajectory as delineated by supposed experts, discombobulating those on high in the Coverup. The minions even had to be let loose, to paper over this.

Oblivious to the whims of Earthly scientists, that planet residing second-out from the Sun is busy dancing to the tune of the bigger influences, Sol and Planet X. Thus Venus, under dual influences, walked his own walk.

 

It would appear that the path taken by the recalcitrant Venus was not all that caught “experts” off guard during that revealing recent transit.

An unexpected feature of the previous Venus transit of the Sun, in 2004, was observed when transit-watchers were “amazed” to see a “bright, glowing rim appeared around the edge of Venus soon after it began to move into the sun.”

 

The Arc of Venus observed during the planet's 2004 transit by amateur astronomer Andre Rondi using a 10-cm refractor near Toulouse, France.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Mysterious_Arc_of_Venus_999.html

 

Supposed “experts” were gobsmacked by this phenomenon and floundered to explain it. Eventually, they came up with a theory, postulating that this “mysterious arc” was now de-mystified:

“Researchers now understand what happened. Backlit by the sun, Venus's atmosphere refracted sunlight passing through layers of air above the planet's cloudtops, creating an arc of light that was visible in backyard telescopes and spacecraft alike.”

Well, I don’t think so. The Venus atmosphere is not a medium through which photons in the visible light spectrum will readily travel…

 Venus has a dense atmosphere and thick clouds that are opaque to visible radiation, making its surface completely invisible from the outside at optical wavelengths.[image at right] shows one of the best photographs of Venus taken with a large telescope on Earth. The planet resembles a white-yellow disk and shows occasional hints of cloud circulation.

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earthr98.htm

 

And this does not explain the tiny “arc within the arc” phenomenon observed.

They need to go back to the drawing board.

 

I guess that is what they were doing when, fast-forwarding to the recent 2012 Venus transit,  all and sundry  “hoped”, “prepared” and were “on the lookout for” a repeat of that strange apparition, the “Venus Arc”, so as to undertake more study:

http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2012/06/05/nasa-prepares-to-study-...

http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report_astronomers-hope-to-see-myst...

http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/63856-arc-of-venus-could-expl...

http://www.forextv.com/forex-news-story/transit-of-venus-scientist-...

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120605_Venus.htm

 

There was to be no repeat performance of the phenomenon. Since the transit, all is quiet re this subject, the silence is deafening, all talk ceased. The Arc was dark.

 

Nancy, I wonder whether the Zetas would care to speak to this?  What was the nature of the observed phenomena, depicted above? Why was it not repeated?

[Nancy Lieder]

In 2004 Planet X was in a different position vs a vs Venus and the Sun, and this glow was likely the light (or reflected sunlight) from Planet X. But in that things are really busy now, we wish to decline this question as looking back rather than forward. Good documentation, though.

Planet Twelve said:

It has been established beyond a reasonable doubt http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/venus-transit-june-5th-6th..., http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/venus-transit-wobble-more-... that the June 5 /6 Venus transit did not go as expected, i.e. Venus refused to adhere to a trajectory as delineated by supposed experts, discombobulating those on high in the Coverup. The minions even had to be let loose, to paper over this.

Oblivious to the whims of Earthly scientists, that planet residing second-out from the Sun is busy dancing to the tune of the bigger influences, Sol and Planet X. Thus Venus, under dual influences, walked his own walk.

 

It would appear that the path taken by the recalcitrant Venus was not all that caught “experts” off guard during that revealing recent transit.

An unexpected feature of the previous Venus transit of the Sun, in 2004, was observed when transit-watchers were “amazed” to see a “bright, glowing rim appeared around the edge of Venus soon after it began to move into the sun.”

 

[Nancy Lieder]

Via email route, from Iraq, a photo and question about a phenomena already in Israeli media - the spiral in the sky reported in this blog:

http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/spiral-warnings

There has been strange phenomenon in northern Iraq that people are amazed.
It happened the evening of 7 -06-2012. You could see the fireball in several places, about 100 km east of Erbil.
A huge fireballs that has never happened before. It looked long from which a spiral. People could smell something strange smell and it lasted for approx. two hours
I hope you come up with an explanation fænomenen.
The place is situated in a mountainous area.
What are these gas that burns in the air.
I have enclosed pictures and'll send more pictures.
In that this occurred on June 6, when Denver reported a lightning storm and there was an apparent radiation leak at the Fermi plant along the Seaway in Indiana, this may all be related.

[KM]

Was wondering if the Zetas would be able to answer, since the Council of Worlds declared war with the Cover-Up and more evidence getting through, will the establishment be forced to make admissions about the cover up or planet X?

[Nancy Lieder]

Accepted.

KM said:

Was wondering if the Zetas would be able to answer, since the Council of Worlds declared war with the Cover-Up and more evidence getting through, will the establishment be forced to make admissions about the cover up or planet X?

[Nancy Lieder]

The question posed by KM, above, on the COW objectives covers this issue. You are stating your opinion, in this "question" and your opinion is not valid per what the Zetas have said.

You state "sofar the slower pace of 7of10 seems to result in less people consciously aware of the upcoming earthchanges." How do you compute that? Per the Zetas the 7 of 10 changes would have resulted in the New Madrid and European tsunami by  now. Do you think given the current determination of the cover-up to ascribe EVERYTHING to global warming or the Sun or some other such false cause that any truth would have resulted? There is something afoot, with the COW maneuvers, to force the cover-up to break. The recent Venus Transit, which placed proof in the hands of amateur astronomers, and the recent June 6 waft of the charged tail of Planet X causing spirals etc worldwide shows what can be done with a twitch of the COW's little finger, so to speak. And this war is just getting started.

You state "the world would already have been in shock today, and many people would already today have been put in a situation to make their spiritual decisions, even when not fully understanding the reasons behind these geographical disasters." once gain just your opinion! This is not a question to the Zetas, this is a rant. Do you KNOW what their "spiritual decisions" are? Are you God or the COW? There is clearly a difference in magnitude of scale in a decision forced upon someone because a tornado hit their town, a sudden disaster, than contemplating the Pole Shift and Aftertime, and radically changing one's life style to either help others or serve the self.

You state "Also a slower pace of 7of10 seems not to be a prerequisite to break the cover-up" huh? Because you know what goes on in the smoke filled rooms of the cover-up? Gee, can you share? Who are the attendees and what are their stated positions?

Declined as your "question" is a self inflated rant, not a question.

Lieven said:

Dear Nancy,
Could you ask the following question to the Zetas?
Many thanks for all you are doing,

Lieven

 

Despite the cracks in the cover-up, sofar the slower pace of 7of10 seems to result in less people consciously aware of the upcoming earthchanges. Following your original predicted pace of 7of10, the world would already have been in shock today, and many people would already today have been put in a situation to make their spiritual decisions, even when not fully understanding the reasons behind these geographical disasters.

Also a slower pace of 7of10 seems not to be a prerequisite to break the cover-up, meaning that breaking the cover-up seemed also possible combined with the original predicted pace of 7of10.

So at first sight, notwithstanding we welcome your efforts to avoid many deaths during the 7of10, the slowing of the 7of10 pace seems not to be the shortest path to realise the CoW objective to allow people to make their spiritual decisions.

Can you shed some more light on the forces that are at play here, and on the potential other objectives?

[048ot4amijxw2]

Hello again. It seems there are more telescopes afoot this week. Plans for a European telescope built by 2022.

"A coalition of 15 European countries has announced plans to build the biggest telescope in the world."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2158045/Europe-votes...

Would the Zetas care to comment on this recent development?

Also, thank you for all of your hard work. It is greatly appreciated.

[Nancy Lieder]

I note this sentence in the article "'We can now move forward on schedule with this giant project.'

This is just an excuse to move equipment there, so they can peer at PX complex. Declined as subject already covered in the S Africa/Australia radio array and XB37 flights.

Richmond Adams said:

Hello again. It seems there are more telescopes afoot this week. Plans for a European telescope built by 2022.

 

"A coalition of 15 European countries has announced plans to build the biggest telescope in the world."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2158045/Europe-votes...

Would the Zetas care to comment on this recent development?

Also, thank you for all of your hard work. It is greatly appreciated.

[Kris H]

Hi Nancy,

Would the Zetas care to comment on this story:

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/13/12200723-myanmar-re...

It appears to be an example of migration due to sinking lands, and of a neighboring country turning people away. If these were supposedly refugees from a temporary skirmish situation, why would they be refused entry? On the other hand, permanent refugees, due to land lost to the sea would not be wanted.

Thanks.