ZetaTalk Chat for December 4, 2010

[Nancy Lieder]

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[Alison]

Hi Nancy - Since coming to the realization that the front range of Colorado is not a good place to be in the coming days, I have begun a search for a new location. Something is drawing me toward northern Idaho. It seems that the hot springs in the state are mostly located in the lower half. I am looking toward the upper neck of the state but there are a few large lakes up there - specifically Lake Pend Oreille which is said to be deeper than Loch Ness at 1,158 feet. Although it is clear that the land in this area was violently thrust about during past poleshifts, will it now also remain largely unmoving because of layers upon layers of past mountain building events as with the western slopes of the Colorado Rockies or is it prone to great movement as once before? I am also very curious about the glacial history of northern Idaho and would love it if the Zeta's could explain what really happened there:

Big Geology
Many visitors to Lake Pend Oreille are captivated by its rugged beauty that begs comparison to the fjords of Scandinavia. The exceptional beauty comes courtesy of the surrounding mountain ranges that, in areas, seem to plunge straight up out of the depths of the lake. The three major mountain ranges that surround the lake are the Selkirks to the north, Coeur d'Alenes to the south and Cabinets to the east.

Lake Pend Oreille lies within the Purcell Trench, a chasm in the Rocky Mountain chain that stretches a couple hundred miles from the Idaho Panhandle well into Canada. This steep-sided valley was created by forces deep in Earth’s crust hundreds of millions of years ago. Sediments in a vast seabed from the obscure past buckled and rose, forming the ancient mountain range of the Cabinets. Then igneous intrusions pushed their way to the surface and in a cataclysm of mountain building, the Selkirk Mountains were born around 135 million years ago.

The narrow but long valley embraced by these two mountain ranges became the perfect home for big rivers and deep lakes. At its south end, the stage was set for a water event of gargantuan proportions, now known as the Ice Age floods. Thousands of years ago the Idaho Panhandle was covered with ice. The Purcell Lobe of the continental ice sheet was as much as 2,000 feet thick at the mouth of the Clark Fork River. An immense lake that filled the valleys of western Montana was created. When that ice dam melted and collapsed, reportedly over and over again, 10 times more water than what flows in all the rivers of the world today rushed into the abyss that now cradles Idaho’s most precious gem. Lake Pend Oreille is a remnant of the former glacial lake that preceded it, but Pend Oreille is no less spectacular, no less beautiful than its ancestor, Glacial Lake Missoula.

http://www.sandpointonline.com/rec/lakeguide/history.html

My questions; would it be geologically safe to locate in panhandle of Idaho and if so how far away from the large lakes should one be during the sloshing? If located farther south nearer to the hot springs, will these hot springs be more active during the shift or less active due to the sliding of the land mass over the land masses to the east thus cutting off the sources to the hot springs? Will the nuclear power plant in Spokane be of concern and if so, would it simply be better to move just over the Idaho border into western Montana so as to have a few more mountains inbetween? I do not want to be too close to the continental divide, remaining west of the divide if possible due to the potential for mountain building to the east of the divide.

I originally was looking west of the divide in Colorado but the land does not appear to be quite as fertile as that in northern Idaho. If, for whatever reason, I cannot make it to northern Idaho or western Montana, I will have to hightail it over the divide to a location in Colorado. It would make the most sense for me to go to southwest Colorado because of family being there, but the Dotsero volcano is to the north of that area. Is the Dotsero volcano (at the junction of the Eagle and Colorado River) due to become active since it has only been approximately 5,000 years since it was last active? If volcanoes such as that one are due to remain active for a while during the Aftertime, it would not be good to be SOUTH of that volcano since it would then be WEST of that volcano and thus downwind. Please confirm if this is so. Sorry for all the questions, but I unfortunately had thought that I would be able to stay where I am and have been spending many hours pondering maps and potential property. After the Zeta's very clear response about Boulder, CO (sigh) I see it is not the best idea to stick around no matter how much I love the people here. Your help in trying to work out the best plan I can in so little time is greatly appreciated.

[Tamzin Kay]

Hello Nancy & Zetas
In my blog post of Nov 26 http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/massive-volcanic-mountain I have considered whether a line of subterranean activity is stirring things up in the area shown on the map. I recall Zetas talking of new or unusual faults and this example may be in that category. What say the Zetas?

[Jeremiah Michael Smith]

Hello Nancy and Zetas - I was curious about the status of Iraq and the Puppet Master's involvement there. The Zetas have stated that the US Military under Bush would not "win" over there. I realize that violence there will probably never cease. However, recently Iraq has made significant strides in becoming a democratic nation and violence has declined. The Zetas have stated that this drop in violence is temporary and once the US leaves it will rise again. Iraq has a huge supply of sweet crude, the easiest to refine and I'm assuming the Puppet Master has a huge interest in this region now. In fact, the company De La Rue prints the current Iraqi Dinar currency they use, which is owned by "Rothschilds and Sons". With Obama and Biden guiding the Iraqi's in their current government, do the Zetas foresee a more prosperous Iraq prior to the poleshift? If so, I'm guessing that the Iraqi currency will significantly increase in value, which may keep the global economy from completely tanking, especially helping the US Dollar. Do the Zetas concur with these conclusions? Thanks.

[Derrick Johnson]

Hi Alison
Here is ZetaTalk that may help with your question about the glacial history of northern Idaho
ZetaTalk about how the North Pole used to be over North America
http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p146.htm

Here is some ZetaTalk about inland lakes
http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p140.htm

Here is ZetaTalk that gives a formula that can be used to determine the amount of sloshing in inland lakes
http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx038.htm



Alison said:

Hi Nancy - Since coming to the realization that the front range of Colorado is not a good place to be in the coming days, I have begun a search for a new location. Something is drawing me toward northern Idaho. It seems that the hot springs in the state are mostly located in the lower half. I am looking toward the upper neck of the state but there are a few large lakes up there - specifically Lake Pend Oreille which is said to be deeper than Loch Ness at 1,158 feet. Although it is clear that the land in this area was violently thrust about during past poleshifts, will it now also remain largely unmoving because of layers upon layers of past mountain building events as with the western slopes of the Colorado Rockies or is it prone to great movement as once before? I am also very curious about the glacial history of northern Idaho and would love it if the Zeta's could explain what really happened there:

[Derrick Johnson]

Hi Tamzin

Here is previous ZetaTalk about New Zealand and its earth movement
http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo24q.htm

http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/11sp2010.htm
AP : New Zealand earthquake rips a new fault line across the world... moving one side of the earth 11ft to the right 'One side of the Earth has lurched to the right ... up to 11ft and in some places been thrust up,' he said. 'We went and saw two houses that were completely snapped in half by the earthquake.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1309194/New-Zeala...

This area of New Zealand's south island supposedly straddles the border between the Indo-Australian Plate and the Pacific Plate that is pushing under at this point. We have stated that New Zealand need not worry about having part of the south island disappear, as there is much mankind does not know and the true plate boundary is further to the east of the south island. We predicted that the rock and roll that the south island will experience would be akin to snow tumbling to the side of a snow plow in an irregular manner, rather than subduction or mountain building. Is this not what occurred?


Tamzin Kay said:

Hello Nancy & Zetas
In my blog post of Nov 26 http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/massive-volcanic-mountain I have considered whether a line of subterranean activity is stirring things up in the area shown on the map. I recall Zetas talking of new or unusual faults and this example may be in that category. What say the Zetas?

[Sathya]

Nancy,

I know that the Zetas cannot speak to the time of the 7 of 10 or the 8 of 10 but my question is do they know the day and hour of these events? My question is focused on their "knowing" or science of prediction of these events. If they "know" then there is 100% certainty to these dates and hour that these events unfold. If it's a prediction then there may be some latitude in the date and time due to various unpredictable factors in the movement of the crust and the way that rock hold on to plates in unpredictable ways. thanks Sathya

[Alison]

Hi Derrick - Thanks for ferreting out this information on lake slosh. As you showed it was listed under "Great Lakes" and not the heading "Inland Lakes," and so I could not recall where I saw that information. I have spent many hours reading the Zetatalk site and know I still have many to go...and so your detective work is appreciated and I will copy it here because it is very helpful:

As per the Zetas:

"One should assume, rule of thumb, when along rivers or inland lakes:

* Take the worst case in memory, of flooding. Raise that water level up again so it has risen not once, but three times. In other words, if the worst case is a 40 foot rise, then assume a 120 foot rise. So this rule of thumb applies to river flooding, but to cover the sloshing that may occur for inland lakes, a different baseline must be taken.
* Inland lakes seldom flood their banks, or drain. Inland lakes may slosh, but are unlikely to rise to the level that rivers will, in that rivers are a temporary store for water, and inland lakes by their nature, a permanent store. But as a rule of thumb one can take their depth, divide by 5, and assume that level of water to be sloshing inland. In every case, then the surrounding land must be analyzed, as to safety."

[cropcircle chua]

Hi Nancy an Zeta,
A recent video of a China girl sitting and crush a rabbit has spark outrage on the internet community. A farther investigation revealed of a group/syndicate that have been around on the internet for some time known as Crushfetish. Videos of pretty girls crushing fruits, roaches, small animals, torture animals are made and sell to respective Crushfetish sites. A google search of the term crush fetish brings up tons of paid websites. The community seems don’t care about karma as it perceived.

My question is:
Why would any human being like to watch small animals been crushed and tortured? I notice the items been crushed are mainly worms, roaches, bugs, small animals, furry animals (as big as dogs).
I guess this weird fetish has been around for a few years or maybe longer, but why exposed recently when we are nearer to poleshift?
Are these fetish acts are actually not sold to human but some alienate entertainments? Maybe reptilian? Will the Zeta please advise and anyway to stop more animals been harmed? Thank you.

[Derrick Johnson]

Here is some related ZetaTalk about spirits
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta555.htm
Greetings star ancestors, I notice your response to UFOs in particular areas, in that the beings in the craft are sending telepathic and spirit to spirit messages to the humans below. Do the dis-incarnate spirits hear it too? And if some humans are mentally capable of receiving telepathy or spiritually aware another way of seeing who are ready because they feel something and the rest who don't are just lost spiritually and have no telepathy?

Not all humans who are sent a telepathic message receive it, but this is due to blocking on their end. They either are resistant to any message about catastrophic Earth changes coming soon, out of fear, and thus in denial, or they resist outside influences out of a fear of losing self control, even if this self control would only require them to ponder a message. Disincarnate spirits are not the target, and might tune in if inclined but since they cannot be affected by a cataclysm, might have other things deemed more important to do.

http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/28ag2010.htm
understand that during the shift itself and for some time afterward those beings responsible for guiding the soul after the body dies will have their hands quite full. I believe I've read in the body of Zetatalk that those souls sometimes referred to as ghosts, who have lingered will be made to move on prior to the shift. Is this the case? I imagine that the immense destruction and death created by the poleshift will be traumatic even for the disencarnate. Will these souls be moved before the shift? Or will they possibly stay around, so to speak, and help those who have recently passed away? I wonder if a lingering spirit will be a thing of the past after the poleshift?

Will those spirits reluctant to leave their former Earthly habitat be allowed to assist during the pole shift, when so much death will occur that the Sprit and Birthing Guides are so very busy? Hardly. Ghosts are not mature spirits who have graduated to spiritual 4th density, but immature spirits, troubled and unable to resolve some aspect of a past life. They will be transported to their new home, the water planet for undecided entities, along with all the other newly dead. What point is continued haunting when the Earth they knew has changed so greatly? What of those who have newly died in the trauma of the pole shift? What is they wish to linger, to sort out what happened to them and their reaction to the events, their urge to help others or their failure in the face of danger. Will they be allowed to linger and haunt the new Earth? This would be allowed if the soul were highly Service-to-Other and the Earth were going to be their new home, but if undecided and certainly if Service-to-Self and heading for a new planet, this would not be allowed. Group counseling will instead replace a long haunting, with the counseling sessions moving to their new home planets.



Jacks said:

Hi, Nancy, Zeta's

The Spirits seems to get more bolden in there attempt to cling to people do they know whats coming?

[Maximo]

I've always been curious if aliens and UFO's where just humans from the future coming back through a time warp, or traveling through time, or dimensions being the same thing? I have read parts of Zeta talk that explains dimensions and travel, But if humans are to be combined with Zetas to become half, or hybrids, doesn't that mean that Earth's future in any dimension ceases to exist for us in today's human form? and therefore safe to assume that maybe 500 or 1000 years into the future Earth would be a Full Zeta planet? P.S. What order where Earth's humans created in? Whites, Asians, Black, Blues, etc when exactly where Natives transplanted to Earth, and by whom? How long did we coexist with other lifeforms for, other than the Anunnaki? Where we slaves to reptilians? Thanks for your time and for addressing my questions!

[Derrick Johnson]

Here is ZetaTalk about the timing variance of Zetas predictions

http://www.zetatalk2.com/poleshft/p06.htm

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta561.htm

You cannot indicate the date of PX's passage, but can you say whether the framework for the date is fixed or variable? That is, is the date established via celestial mechanics in the same way that mathematicians can reliably predict the timing of eclipses, etc, or is it subject to some "elasticity" depending on variables such as solar activity, particle flows, random events, or any number of other possible factors? And if the timing is elastic, how much might these variables alter the ultimate date of passage: by years, or only by days?

You would consider it fixed, though some weeks or days of variance might occur due to many factors. It is celestial mechanics, yes.

http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/30oc2010.htm

The Zeta's have stated the 7/10 event will essentially happen suddenly without any real warning besides continued or increasing earthquake and volcanic activity. That the brake point is building pressure and only needs to snap to set the plates in motion and trigger subsequent catastrophic events. Those following ZT in SE Asia must be feeling very uneasy with these predictions, as are others around the world! To what degree of accuracy do the Zeta's think they are able to predict the time of when the 7/10 event begins? Is this something the Zeta's can see exactly or is it something of more within a margin of error of days or weeks? With the commencement of the 7/10 event, can the Zeta's give more timing details with the start of the other 7/10 events, ie S. America roll?

We take thousands of factors into consideration when making estimates and predictions. The wiggle room on the 7 of 10 is not whether the tongue holding Indonesia will be sinking, but whether it will be followed within the 2010 calendar year by the S American roll. There are few predictions that we have made that involve a timeline. 2003 and the arrival of Planet X into the inner solar system was a notable one. We predicted the Right Angle and Declination where the inbound Planet X would be sighted during March, 2003 some 7 years earlier in 1997. That was the degree of our precision based on the thousands of factors we took into account for the speed and trajectory Planet X was likely to attain based on the interference it was likely to encounter. In this case, for the 7 of 10, the elements are all known! It is no longer when the wrestlers are going to step into the ring. They are already locked in combat.

http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm

Also how do the Zetas read into the future?

We, the Zetas, anticipate what will occur in the future by our knowledge of science (in the case of geological changes) or our awareness of what plans are in the minds of man. We differentiate between a certain prediction, such as geological changes, and those predictions which are subject to the free will of man, i.e. in the hands of man, for this reason.




Sathya said:

Nancy,

I know that the Zetas cannot speak to the time of the 7 of 10 or the 8 of 10 but my question is do they know the day and hour of these events? My question is focused on their "knowing" or science of prediction of these events. If they "know" then there is 100% certainty to these dates and hour that these events unfold. If it's a prediction then there may be some latitude in the date and time due to various unpredictable factors in the movement of the crust and the way that rock hold on to plates in unpredictable ways. thanks Sathya

[Derrick Johnson]

Here is ZetaTalk about sadistic humans
http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o37.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o51.htm

Here is ZetaTalk about 4th density aliens not being allowed to dominate other species
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta510.htm

Do 4th Density Service to Self groups get to live on planets with 2nd Density animals? Similar to how the future Service to Others Earth will also have 2nd Density animals. And like with cattle mutilations, are STS aliens free to torture animals throughout the universe, in 2nd Density worlds? I certainly hope not.

The prison planets where those who are highly Service-to-Self are imprisoned restrict their activities so they can only affect those who are likely highly Service-to-Self, in other words, their prison mates. It is part of their lesson, in being so restricted, that they are affected by others like themselves, and can affect others like themselves, solely. Just as these individuals cannot simply mass land and invade other planets, and are restricted to waging war amonst themselves, in similar manner they are not given the outlet of being able to dominate and intimidate other species.

Here is ZetaTalk about how humans “should not assume they are dealing with a service to self orientation when meeting a reptilian alien.”
http://www.zetatalk.com/worlds/w10.htm


cropcircle chua said:

Hi Nancy an Zeta,
A recent video of a China girl sitting and crush a rabbit has spark outrage on the internet community. A farther investigation revealed of a group/syndicate that have been around on the internet for some time known as Crushfetish. Videos of pretty girls crushing fruits, roaches, small animals, torture animals are made and sell to respective Crushfetish sites. A google search of the term crush fetish brings up tons of paid websites. The community seems don’t care about karma as it perceived.

Original forum:
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/free/1/2038982.shtml
*Warning: gore graphics in link*

For English translation:
http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/rabbit-crushing-video-girl-c...

My question is:
Why would any human being like to watch small animals been crushed and tortured? I notice the items been crushed are mainly worms, roaches, bugs, small animals, furry animals (as big as dogs).
I guess this weird fetish has been around for a few years or maybe longer, but why exposed recently when we are nearer to poleshift?
Are these fetish acts are actually not sold to human but some alienate entertainments? Maybe reptilian? Will the Zeta please advise and anyway to stop more animals been harmed? Thank you.